Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

Hope this is not too much of a derailment:

This thread is so far past derailment that its fallen off the side of the earth into a black holed timezone nobody knows about. Its like one of those late night chat shows with no host or subject but a lot of nattering. Really bizarre 😂

Hope this is not too much of a derailment:

Doug Beattie (UUP leader) was in favour of banning conversion therapy and seems determined to differentiate the UUP from the DUP. He’s on record as not wanting to be seen as 'DUP-lite'. He’s also come in for criticism for decade-old tweets that were described as homophobic and misogynistic so he may be trying to pivot away from criticism.

This article from 2021 is an interesting insight into gender identity politics in NI and its interaction with our political parties:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/dup-deputys-entire-remarks-to-lgbtqia-gathering-3294776

Most political parties here in NI aren’t that different on this issue of women’s rights from the main parties in GB - we need the UK general election campaign to get the issues into public consciousness and to be debated in media (although Stephen Nolan’s radio programme has been better than other local media at discussing these issues.

What an interesting thread this is turning out to be!

Looking forward to more answers and revelations.

SF are desperate on their TWAW stance. I remember something relatively big happened here but the leader of SF was unavailable for comment as she was making sure new abortion legistlation was trans-inclusive. They are ruthless in their policing of adherence to the message.

Alliance are looser and I've no idea what the Ulster Unionist party stance is.

OK. I'm not trying to derail the thread but I do believe that a little seasoning can lighten any broth. So here's a Monty Python quote:

"A minute passed. Then another. Then, another minute. Then... another minute passed. Then another minute passed. And another. A further minute passed quickly, followed by another minute, when suddenly, a different minute passed, followed by another different minute. And another. And yet another further different minute. A minute passed. I glanced at my watch. It was a minute past. This was it. A minute passed. After a moment, another minute passed. I waited a minute while a minute passed quickly past. And then, a minute which seemed to last an hour but was only a minute... passed."

I may discuss Chronos and his son Chaos, how time tamed humans and how the Royal Navy invented modern time in the future. It makes me feel more comfortable than the debate on the meaning of gender on another thread.

Hyena NI parties tend to be rather good at maintaining unity of message, so if the party leader is TWAW then it’s rare to have dissenters. Also, in NI, politics to do with the constitutional position of NI within the UK vs unification with ROI takes up a lot of political bandwidth so social issues never really get proper scrutiny (particularly women’s issues).

I honestly can’t imagine a Rosie Duffield or Miriam Cates existing (for long) in a party over here - it’s so frustrating how little freedom of thought our political parties allow their representatives, especially if they’re women - as Boots mentioned, NI is socially conservative and has large religious populations, so the politics here doesn’t have the best record of treating women well and the growth of US-influenced identity politics is not improving things for women in any way.

That’s a pretty fair summary of the state of play in NI - TUV & DUP are too religiously conservative for me to feel comfortable voting for them. When it comes to Aontú, I don’t know much about them and am not sure I’d vote for them without knowing a lot more about the whole package. I know Peadar Tóibín, an Aontú TD has made speeches in support of GC positions in the Dáil but I know little more than that.

TBH, unless there’s an independent I can vote for in my constituency, I’m likely to spoil my ballot with a GC message and hope it gets noticed during the ballot counting. Every other party in NI, from Sinn Féin to The Alliance Party is keen to be seen as TWAW these days 🤷‍♀️

And with Stormont currently not functioning because of Brexit-related deadlock, our devolved elections are pretty meaningless too, if they return a chamber that is still deadlocked.

NGOs are involving themselves in the social policy sphere here and pushing the same agenda as happened in Scotland - nice middle class NGOs, all largely singing from the same identity politics hymn sheet 🙄 I.e. local repro health org talking about 'pregnant people' nowadays rather than ‘pregnant women'.

Spun gold. I love that. What a turn of phrase.

JanesLittleGirl I second that. You’ve spun gold from a troubled discussion of time zones

Time is completely untrustworthy. It moves around, speeds up or slows down depending on what you're doing,

At the beginning of the 19th century every city in the UK kept different time

JanesLittleGirl thank you and please don't stop!

@Floisme Time is completely untrustworthy. It moves around, speeds up or slows down depending on what you're doing, you can't see it or weigh it but you can measure it.

At the beginning of the 19th century every city in the UK kept different time because noon varies with how far east or west you are and, to a lesser extent, how far north or south (another example of time's untrustworthiness). This didn't matter when it took 2 days to travel from London to Birmingham but it caused chaos once the railway arrived. The government decided that there would only be one time in the UK and it would be Greenwich Mean Time (GMT now known as UTC).

I'll stop now because you're probably losing the will to live but time is very odd.

This

And @UtopiaPlanitia thanks for your post. I'll have to come back to it and digest it later but it looks interesting and helpful

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 18:16
You were not the only or even first poster to express such confusion. So I started a thread on the wider board. I have reported the post that screenshotted your name explaining that you knew nothing about it.

Apologies for any embarrassment you have suffered at the hands of those who piled on my thread.

This seems an odd statement TooBigForMyBoots
I had a look at that other thread and a lot of it is about people replying apropos of general historical and political points about Ireland and Northern Ireland;

but many were objecting to your OP calling it a TAAT, saying you posted it to belittle another poster.

And the only screenshot I found was to prove this point, and to show you had misinterpreted that poster anyway (about N. Ireland not being part of the U.K). They were DEFENDING her against your OP in other words.

So it seems disingenuous to suggest the person in question might be offended by that screenshot, rather than be offended by your having started a thread to say how silly/stupid some people [she] must be.

Why not just say you made a mistake and are sorry? We can all be rash sometimes.

By the way, about time zones, someone on that thread pointed out that you can stand in Michigan, take one step into Illinois and change time zones. So why mightn’t Ireland and N Ireland be in a different time zone across the sea?

On page 9-10 (I'm on 25 posts per page - don't ask) TooSpitefulForMyBoots gets her arse handed to her.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4785896-well-fuck-me-pink-and-call-me-rosie-aibu

I'm afraid I can't help Ourladycheesusedatum - I've not seen the thread as Boots didn't let me know she was starting it.

To be fair, I'm not really interested in seeing it now. Anyone who wants to talk to me about it can come and find me here.

There is no need to report other posters and, in any case, it sounds like it's a bit late in the day for that.

Nor do you need to apologise for the actions of other people. We are all responsible for our own behaviour don't you think?

I hope you don't mind my asking so many questions but you still haven't explained what you were hoping to get out of it. Please wouild you do so?

Also would it not have made sense, and been courteous, to let me know you were starting the thread? I might have contributed or joined in the hilarity.

Can some kind person link me to this thread that's causing issues. I did look this morning with no success. I might want to comment .

You were not the only or even first poster to express such confusion. So I started a thread on the wider board. I have reported the post that screenshotted your name explaining that you knew nothing about it.

Apologies for any embarrassment you have suffered at the hands of those who piled on my thread.

Starting a whole thread to mock someone over something as inconsequential as times zones is weapons grade arseholery.

Polite reminder to Boots as I see you've just posted.

Are the points I summarised correct?

I can't see any reply to my second question: Why? As in why did you do it?

In your own time of course.

What a load of propaganda shit!

The parties with the best record for opposing TWAW are DUP, TUV and Aontu EmotionalSupport. We are a more conservative society with a more religious population so while some politicians have mentioned it, it's not that widely discussed.

Also, Stormount is closed so no legistlation being debated at all.

What is, in your opinion, the best option for women out of the NI political parties? I did try and look it up but the history of the various parties was so unfamiliar to me that I puzzled over it for a while and gave up before I even got to current day issues 😬

Is there a clear (er) best option for women in NI or is it like E&W (and Scotland!) where individual candidate positions vary wildly within each party?

Eg I would happily vote for Rosie Duffield (Labour) Miriam Cates (Conservative) and Ash Reagan (SNP) if I lived in any of their constituencies but my own Labour MP (who I personally know quite well) has splinters in his arse from all the fence sitting (but in his previous position on the council did manage to prevent any of the super pro trans rights motions that were doing the rounds a few years ago from being tabled).

Thank you for replying @TooBigForMyBoots, good to hear from you,

Yes I would like to have this conversation with you in public, as was your thread.

I'm sorry to hear you're shocked at the behaviour of anonymous posters on an online forum. One can never be too careful.

So just to clarify your responses to my first question:

1. You started a new thread to talk about something I had said, even though the thread concerned was still open and I was still posting on it yesterday?
2. You did not start the thread on FWR but on a different board?
3. You didn't let me know at the time that you were starting the thread?
4. You didn't screenshot my posts yourself but you're shocked that some other posters did?
5. You apologise for the behaviour of these other posters?

Is that all correct?