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Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2023 00:25

I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

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Datun · 12/04/2023 12:36

“This has been a triumph. We’ve spent a week not talking about boats, not talking about trans or the other issues the Conservatives want to talk about — we’ve been talking about what we want to talk about.”

Interesting. I thought Kier Starmer said no-one is talking about trans. When what he meant to say is, I don't want to talk about trans.

I bet he doesn't!

Roll on KJK.

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgegrylls/status/1645846782012801024

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgegrylls/status/1645846782012801024

dimorphism · 12/04/2023 12:34

ohnonowwhat · 12/04/2023 00:49

Yikes, that itself sounds pretty worrying; would many people be happy with their children being watched and potentially questioned at school in case they say something 'concerning'? And identifying children that are 'likely' to be abused? I would hope that cases where is seems like a strong possibility would already be monitored (though I doubt they are, enough anyway). But how might this identification work - children from poor backgrounds, or certain areas or cultures being watched like hawks and interrogated like they're trying to hide something whilst the little rich kid or the little brown kid gets ignored because they're not likely targets... I would think (though I'm certainly no expert) that monitoring changes in behaviour and developing a strong level of trust with the child would be the most helpful tactics, surely teachers would be the best placed for this; I certainly wouldn't want the police to do it!

Given the funding crisis in schools the idea that this could in any way be a priority is very out of touch.

We have kids waiting for 3 years for CAMHS, and for many it's too late for the early intervention that is so critical once they get there, the wait is far too long. Kids with SEND who are not appropriately supported due to lack of funds. Inability to recruits TAs because of low pay. Maybe that should be dealt with first?

Flowerly · 12/04/2023 12:29

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 11:50

I think it is a bit unfair to say why let him drive off with her. He caught him after the act of raping. Should he have tried to fight the taxi driver? What if he wasn’t up to it?

He should have tried to get the girl out but perhaps thought he couldn’t or that he’d be complicit.

He did a brave thing by shouting at the taxi driver and getting the video. By getting the video and the number plate and giving it to the police there is more concrete evidence against him than from a fight followed by him getting away anyway

He may not have done the perfect thing but he at least did something. How do we know what we would have done?

I agree - he called this vile man out and got the evidence needed to charge him.

Datun · 12/04/2023 12:22

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 12:20

I don’t want to watch it again but the man ahi caught him was saying girl wasn’t he?

He did yes. Conflicting reports.

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 12:20

I don’t want to watch it again but the man ahi caught him was saying girl wasn’t he?

mirax · 12/04/2023 12:13

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 11:50

I think it is a bit unfair to say why let him drive off with her. He caught him after the act of raping. Should he have tried to fight the taxi driver? What if he wasn’t up to it?

He should have tried to get the girl out but perhaps thought he couldn’t or that he’d be complicit.

He did a brave thing by shouting at the taxi driver and getting the video. By getting the video and the number plate and giving it to the police there is more concrete evidence against him than from a fight followed by him getting away anyway

He may not have done the perfect thing but he at least did something. How do we know what we would have done?

Yes, it was a very good thing that observer did and it is not fair to criticise him at all.

mirax · 12/04/2023 12:11

Datun · 12/04/2023 12:05

Jesus. That's awful. The man filming says it's a 'little kid'.

I can't make out the image, but they look absolutely tiny.

That's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.

There are people who argue that the asian grooming scandals are over and done with. Samatha Smith, Telsford survivor says they are still ongoing. Who to believe?!

Datun · 12/04/2023 12:05

mirax · 12/04/2023 11:04

Well it is going to bite Labour on the ass and well deservedly so. Something terrible happened in Rochdale over the weekend and was captured on video. It was shared on twitter:
https://twitter.com/WasiqUK/status/1645525908793557021?s=20

The sharing and tagging of Uber and the police was done by the usual deplorable RW types and the Labour cohort who champion themselves as defenders of women and children are utterly silent. Politics is not simply manifestoes and speeches, nor campaign ads. People in the north have eyes and ears, they have local knowledge and neighbourhood gossip. They'd see a video like the one captured and immediately have a perception of an issue that the Islington Labour acolyte will never have or deny having.

Whose world view does that video confirm? Sunak's or Starmer's?

Jesus. That's awful. The man filming says it's a 'little kid'.

I can't make out the image, but they look absolutely tiny.

That's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 11:50

I think it is a bit unfair to say why let him drive off with her. He caught him after the act of raping. Should he have tried to fight the taxi driver? What if he wasn’t up to it?

He should have tried to get the girl out but perhaps thought he couldn’t or that he’d be complicit.

He did a brave thing by shouting at the taxi driver and getting the video. By getting the video and the number plate and giving it to the police there is more concrete evidence against him than from a fight followed by him getting away anyway

He may not have done the perfect thing but he at least did something. How do we know what we would have done?

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 11:36

Oh I feel truly sick. Why did he let him drive off with her!?!?

Flowerly · 12/04/2023 11:31

So he was assaulting/raping her? Perhaps by 'adult' in this context they mean over 16?

mirax · 12/04/2023 11:26

That video is spreading through whatsapp faster than any Labour ad. The police have responded by saying a man has been charged and the incident involved an adult female. Hmmn.

Flowerly · 12/04/2023 11:16

Look at what happens when the govt of the day tries to deal with vile shit like this - cries of racism from the weasel words Left.

mirax · 12/04/2023 11:04

ResisterRex · 12/04/2023 08:45

They're a triumph...

Labour attack ads: party glee at ‘triumph’ of Twitter blitz on Sunak

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/437cdd84-d717-11ed-80bc-e358583c5d62?shareToken=b30cf5b4b7c527e3f2becf9124d069ab

"A shadow cabinet minister said: “Twitter isn’t the real world, but it’s now had over 20 million views, it’s the most successful tweet we’ve ever had, and it’s gained headline news in the real world.

“Whether you’re condemning or supporting it, they’ve all seen the stats of how Tories have gone soft on child rape.”"

Well it is going to bite Labour on the ass and well deservedly so. Something terrible happened in Rochdale over the weekend and was captured on video. It was shared on twitter:
https://twitter.com/WasiqUK/status/1645525908793557021?s=20

The sharing and tagging of Uber and the police was done by the usual deplorable RW types and the Labour cohort who champion themselves as defenders of women and children are utterly silent. Politics is not simply manifestoes and speeches, nor campaign ads. People in the north have eyes and ears, they have local knowledge and neighbourhood gossip. They'd see a video like the one captured and immediately have a perception of an issue that the Islington Labour acolyte will never have or deny having.

Whose world view does that video confirm? Sunak's or Starmer's?

https://twitter.com/WasiqUK/status/1645525908793557021?s=20

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 10:30

They are an embarrassment but I wonder if they’ll keep rejoicing if their lead keeps slipping

SwordToFlamethrower · 12/04/2023 10:30

Cps don't make the laws that give them the power to prosecute though, that's down to the government

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 10:29

"A shadow cabinet minister said: “Twitter isn’t the real world, but it’s now had over 20 million views, it’s the most successful tweet we’ve ever had, and it’s gained headline news in the real world.

Proof that the LP views the Twitter and lie worlds as being of more value to them than anything real. How patronising to palm ‘not the real world’ on to voters and feel so sure it will work.

No wonder they want to appeal to the Tra lie worlds too by tossing GRCs at them.

Flowerly · 12/04/2023 09:14

FFS. Speechless at how shit the LP is. Embarrassed for these idiots.

ResisterRex · 12/04/2023 08:45

They're a triumph...

Labour attack ads: party glee at ‘triumph’ of Twitter blitz on Sunak

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/437cdd84-d717-11ed-80bc-e358583c5d62?shareToken=b30cf5b4b7c527e3f2becf9124d069ab

"A shadow cabinet minister said: “Twitter isn’t the real world, but it’s now had over 20 million views, it’s the most successful tweet we’ve ever had, and it’s gained headline news in the real world.

“Whether you’re condemning or supporting it, they’ve all seen the stats of how Tories have gone soft on child rape.”"

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/04/2023 08:22

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:15

It is the case.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

She let people change gender without medical checks. And since then genderwoo has been written into policy, allowing male sex offenders to be put on women's wards and in women's prisons, where they sexually assaulted women. Allowing boys into girls' facilities in school. Opening the floodgates so we are in the mess we're in now.

Some Tories claim to be "rolling back" but they are not rolling back, although they might have pushed the Pause button in some areas. They could do much more. But they won't because Sunak fears that even with his large majority, he wouldn't be able to get enough support from Tory MPs to reverse the damage and safeguard women's rights.

The link says in very clear text.
Theresa May plans to let people change gender identity without medical checks.

Important word there was plans

It didnt happen because there was a pushback.

I will tell you I've been bleating about this since before 2004 when labour were in and passed the gra 2004. I saw what was happening then.

You can try to rewrite history all day long, but it will not work.

Needmoresleep · 12/04/2023 07:33

I am still doggedly canvassing in my bid to become a Councillor. Yesterday was wet. The forecast for today is worse. These are local elections and as time goes on, and I hear more stories, my motivation is increasingly to get elected in order to be a good Ward Councillor. Plenty of people need help to navigate the system. The system needs elected representatives who understand enough to work constructively to improve things. Councils are there to deliver services. Party priorities have some impact, but good and cost effective service delivery should be a priority for everyone.

I meet the odd tribal “ABC” (anyone but Conservative) who gloats that they would never vote for me. Fine, you get your kicks somewhere. Equally an elderly lady living in a grim tower block (reasons why it is grim would be outing, but it really is and should not be) assured me she would vote Conservative. She always did, but had no idea why.

Most people are not as fixed. Very much like on this thread. They will vote for whoever they feel will best deliver the things that matter to them.

One bloke happily ranted about the Tories and how he could not wait to see the Council’s Tory administration booted out. But then confessed he would vote for Rishi in the General Election. He was a small businessman and could not afford not to. The last few years have been tough and he did not trust Keir to understand the challenges he faced and to protect him.

Many women will feel the same. The Tories are turning the tanker around on gender bollox. There is a whole load still to do, especially in schools and Universities, but when looking around we can be proud of our Terf Island. Can women risk voting for Keir? Where is the evidence that he understands the challenges women face or the need to protect us.

Simple really. If Keir were to adopt the current Tory approach on gender, he could feel confident in booking the removal van. No need then for the apparently desperate attack politics. Instead he could focus ensuring that enough voters from different backgrounds, trust him to do a better job than Rishi.

(My own guess is that a clear schools approach is taking so long because of the need for compassion. There are plenty of vulnerable socially awkward gender questioning kids in schools. It is much easier to change rules around allocation of hospital beds or prison cells. These kids were fed a lie, in part because many schools happily accepted the affirmation only approach flogged by Mermaids, Stonewall etc. Head teachers can’t just turn around and tell these kids”we were wrong.”)

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 06:05

So much bollocks.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2023 02:20

I'm not a Labour handmaiden.Shock I've never voted Labour in my life OP. Loads of people throughout the UK can't stand the Tories, are sick of their lies and utter lack of integrity. It is a mistake to assume they are Labour supporters just because they voice their views.

ohnonowwhat · 12/04/2023 00:49

Datun · 12/04/2023 00:02

Didn't she say they would install people in schools?

Not quite sure how that would work. Looking out for children who might be abused? Because that still begs the question of what you're going to do with the abuser.

Or maybe identifying children who haven't been abused but would be potentially? Neat trick if you can pull that off 🙄

As Scrolling says, gobbledegook.

Yikes, that itself sounds pretty worrying; would many people be happy with their children being watched and potentially questioned at school in case they say something 'concerning'? And identifying children that are 'likely' to be abused? I would hope that cases where is seems like a strong possibility would already be monitored (though I doubt they are, enough anyway). But how might this identification work - children from poor backgrounds, or certain areas or cultures being watched like hawks and interrogated like they're trying to hide something whilst the little rich kid or the little brown kid gets ignored because they're not likely targets... I would think (though I'm certainly no expert) that monitoring changes in behaviour and developing a strong level of trust with the child would be the most helpful tactics, surely teachers would be the best placed for this; I certainly wouldn't want the police to do it!

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