Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

IwantToRetire · 2023-04-10T23:25:41+00:00

*I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.* So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters. No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. [[https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/]] I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats. So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. [[https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/]] And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues. Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election. Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. [[https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/]]

Floisme · 19/04/2023 10:08

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/04/2023 09:49

Glad you learned something Flo.

What about you Boots, have you learned anything?

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/04/2023 09:49

Glad you learned something Flo.

Floisme · 19/04/2023 08:56

Needmoresleep · 18/04/2023 18:15

I am not sure that any of the parties have a good story to tell. As people have become browned off with politics, they have stopped being active in their local parties, leaving those parties small and unrepresentative. Labour has problems with its left. The Tories have problems with their right. but have perhaps been lucky that they ended up with the candidate that party members did not choose. (Time will tell, and at least it is not Mordaunt.)

The SNP seems to be in an even bigger hole.

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Yeah fair point, they've certainly both got their mavericks. Cameron couldn't control his Eurosceptic wing and we all know how that ended. But I think there's a difference.

The Labour party mavericks, from my own experience as a member, weren't really that bothered about winning elections. They worked very hard - can't fault them on that - but their goals were slightly different. They had no illusions that Corbyn would ever win a general election but they would point to a surge in membership numbers and for them, it seemed to be about 'getting their party back' and establishing a stronger base at grassroots level. I think they saw it as a step on the march towards their Utopia. I don't mean that sarcastically, I liked some of them a lot, they were good people but totally committed to their own cause - that's what I mean by ungovernable. Oh and they absolutely hated it when Labour was actually in power.

I've no experience of the Conservative party but, for all their differences they seem, at least from where I'm sitting, to have much more or a winning mentality. Even their mavericks want to win elections and expect to win elections and they'll pull together to make that happen in a way that I can't imagine Labour ever doing.

ResisterRex · 19/04/2023 06:56

No problem Scrolling and Utopia. This new direction of attack ads is genuinely interesting, I think. And I agree about the need for debate within the parties themselves.

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/04/2023 23:06

ResisterRex · 18/04/2023 18:23

UtopiaPlanitia and ScrollingLeaves, this was this morning's Politico:

"DON’T STOP THE PRESSES: Last night’s Parliamentary Labour Party meeting lasted just 24 minutes as frustration at the party’s attack ads failed to break into the open, my Playbook colleague Dan Bloom emails to say. Barry Gardiner, who had branded the attack ads “cheap slogans,” didn’t turn up to the gathering of a few dozen almost entirely Starmer loyalists. Left-winger Richard Burgon attended but not a single MP asked a question.

Doubling down: Streeting addressed the meeting and defended the attack ads, claiming: “Some in the media have said Labour shouldn’t politicize horrific criminal offences going unpunished. We didn’t. The Tories did when they cut 20,000 police officers.” He also condemned “cowardly anonymous sources” who briefed against Yvette Cooper for distancing herself from the adverts, said one person in the room.

Non speakers: One MP unafraid to condemn the attack ads is Jeremy Corbyn, who described them as “bad news all round.” The ex-leader also told LBC he had “never regarded” Starmer “as a friend.”"

www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/youre-kidding-purple-hayse-not-so-lovely-meters/

Honestly, political parties these days are all like the Borg. Is debate, dissent or difference in opinion gone from public life entirely?! I hate tribal politics (we get a lot of it in NI) and I just hate the way that in recent years Cabinet Members, and MPs who want to get ahead, are ride or die for ‘their guy’ at any cost.

Lack of diverse thought/opinion is hampering lots of aspects of public life.

Pixiedust1234 · 18/04/2023 20:47

They really have no clue any more. Totally and utterly not understanding what mere mortals/peasants want.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/04/2023 20:42

ResisterRex · Today 18:23
UtopiaPlanitia and ScrollingLeaves, this was this morning's Politico:

Thank you very much, and for the many informative links you often share.

ResisterRex · 18/04/2023 18:23

UtopiaPlanitia and ScrollingLeaves, this was this morning's Politico:

"DON’T STOP THE PRESSES: Last night’s Parliamentary Labour Party meeting lasted just 24 minutes as frustration at the party’s attack ads failed to break into the open, my Playbook colleague Dan Bloom emails to say. Barry Gardiner, who had branded the attack ads “cheap slogans,” didn’t turn up to the gathering of a few dozen almost entirely Starmer loyalists. Left-winger Richard Burgon attended but not a single MP asked a question.

Doubling down: Streeting addressed the meeting and defended the attack ads, claiming: “Some in the media have said Labour shouldn’t politicize horrific criminal offences going unpunished. We didn’t. The Tories did when they cut 20,000 police officers.” He also condemned “cowardly anonymous sources” who briefed against Yvette Cooper for distancing herself from the adverts, said one person in the room.

Non speakers: One MP unafraid to condemn the attack ads is Jeremy Corbyn, who described them as “bad news all round.” The ex-leader also told LBC he had “never regarded” Starmer “as a friend.”"

www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/youre-kidding-purple-hayse-not-so-lovely-meters/

Needmoresleep · 18/04/2023 18:15

Floisme · 18/04/2023 14:37

I am coming to the conclusion that the Labour Party is ungovernable, but I'm sure some of you got there long before me.

I am not sure that any of the parties have a good story to tell. As people have become browned off with politics, they have stopped being active in their local parties, leaving those parties small and unrepresentative. Labour has problems with its left. The Tories have problems with their right. but have perhaps been lucky that they ended up with the candidate that party members did not choose. (Time will tell, and at least it is not Mordaunt.)

The SNP seems to be in an even bigger hole.

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/04/2023 17:23

@ResisterRex Thanks for those links, they made for fascinating reading 👍

Floisme · 18/04/2023 14:37

I am coming to the conclusion that the Labour Party is ungovernable, but I'm sure some of you got there long before me.

Needmoresleep · 18/04/2023 14:04

I heard from a fairly senior Tory source that ”Keir is finished”.

I can believe it in that he appears to be failing to retain traditional Labour voters, or to attract the undecided.

However it is hard to see any alternative, at least before the GE. It will be interesting to see how local elections go and then what happens within Labour. An ideal would be for a bit of a shock at the local elections where the Tories keep more seats than expected, and then Keir using that to impose some voter attractive policies, ie on gender and perhaps on things like CGT for small business. Won’t happen, so what will?

ScrollingLeaves · 18/04/2023 12:09

ResisterRex · Today 08:54
I know we're now very far off topic but in the event anyone was interested in the OP, I read these articles recently:….

Thank you for all the links you sent.

Floisme · 18/04/2023 11:43

All that is left is to understand why Keir believes women can have penises 😀

I think there's probably more chance of me learning to understand time zones.

Needmoresleep · 18/04/2023 11:20

Floisme · 18/04/2023 11:06

So to what you're saying TooBigForMyBoots is you started a thread randomly, with no thought of what direction it might take and now you feel shocked and aggrieved at the way your words have been interpreted?

It's understandable to feel upset and I sense you don't want to talk about it any further?

But let's be positive. I know what it's like to say something without thinking of consequences but now I've learned so much: about time zones, the NI democratic process and the whole timey wimey business. So onwards and upwards.

All that is left is to understand why Keir believes women can have penises 😀

Floisme · 18/04/2023 11:06

So to what you're saying TooBigForMyBoots is you started a thread randomly, with no thought of what direction it might take and now you feel shocked and aggrieved at the way your words have been interpreted?

It's understandable to feel upset and I sense you don't want to talk about it any further?

But let's be positive. I know what it's like to say something without thinking of consequences but now I've learned so much: about time zones, the NI democratic process and the whole timey wimey business. So onwards and upwards.

Ohnohedident · 18/04/2023 09:24

God, its like someone at Labour head office has let them know women are repulsed by their misogyny, and they've come up with this in response.
'I know, lets make out Rishi hates women'
Are these people idiots, or do they just think we are?
Tone deaf does not even come close.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2023 09:11

Probably best to take a look Flo.

Floisme · 18/04/2023 08:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2023 08:47

@Floisme I started a thread. Other posters acting in bad faith tried to make it about you. There's nothing more I can say other than I have reported the post that screenshot yours.

Oh I see Boots, you know, you really should learn to be more careful about bad faith posters. The internet is full of them.

Anyway thank you, let's move on:
If the thread wasn't intended to be about me, what was it about? Can you talk me through it?
I wouldn't normally be so persistent but you did me yesterday which makes us practically internet besties.

ResisterRex · 18/04/2023 08:54

I know we're now very far off topic but in the event anyone was interested in the OP, I read these articles recently:

Telegraph:
^Thornberry: Starmer’s CPS failed on Savile
Victims were let down under the Labour leader, shadow attorney general admits in resurfaced clip^

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1311/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1311/pub/1311/page/33/article/NaN

Montage of Thornberry criticising Starmer as DPP:

I_

Accompanying article:
https://order-order.com/2023/04/17/watch-thornberry-repeatedly-attacked-starmers-record-heading-crown-prosecution-service//_

Nick Timothy comment piece:
http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1310/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1310/pub/1310/page/62/article/NaNN_

Politico:
"STILL MAD The PLP meets today amid suggestions that some MPs will raise concerns about the now infamous attack ads accusing Rishi Sunak of all sorts, the Times says. On LBC last night, Barry Gardiner described the tweets as “sickening.”"

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/westminster-returns-educating-rishi-3-strikes-youre-out//_

The Times:
Starmer forgets leadership is not the law

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/06d76bc8-dc7c-11ed-a0a8-657f9e54fc6a?shareToken=6b420110fbdae976018a2cda74111ae3

ResisterRex · 18/04/2023 08:48

ScrollingLeaves · 17/04/2023 18:51

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 18:16
You were not the only or even first poster to express such confusion. So I started a thread on the wider board. I have reported the post that screenshotted your name explaining that you knew nothing about it.

Apologies for any embarrassment you have suffered at the hands of those who piled on my thread.

This seems an odd statement TooBigForMyBoots
I had a look at that other thread and a lot of it is about people replying apropos of general historical and political points about Ireland and Northern Ireland;

but many were objecting to your OP calling it a TAAT, saying you posted it to belittle another poster.

And the only screenshot I found was to prove this point, and to show you had misinterpreted that poster anyway (about N. Ireland not being part of the U.K). They were DEFENDING her against your OP in other words.

So it seems disingenuous to suggest the person in question might be offended by that screenshot, rather than be offended by your having started a thread to say how silly/stupid some people [she] must be.

Why not just say you made a mistake and are sorry? We can all be rash sometimes.

By the way, about time zones, someone on that thread pointed out that you can stand in Michigan, take one step into Illinois and change time zones. So why mightn’t Ireland and N Ireland be in a different time zone across the sea?

I think this is the explainer. And yes I've read the other thread.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2023 08:47

@Floisme I started a thread. Other posters acting in bad faith tried to make it about you. There's nothing more I can say other than I have reported the post that screenshot yours.

JanesLittleGirl · 18/04/2023 08:47

Just to keep this slightly offset, what is the difference between IW and time?

Time passes.

Floisme · 18/04/2023 07:56

Just before we take this thread down a black hole, a polite reminder @TooBigForMyBoots

Our conversation, remember? I didn't want to push it yesterday because you said you were feeling shocked by the underhand behaviour of some people on internet forums. I understand. But you were posting again last night so I hope that means you're feeling better.

I'm not shocked by the way, but I'm really curious and I hope you'll indulge me.
So whenever you're ready:

Why did you start a thread about something I had said without telling me?
What were you hoping to get out of it?

Like I said, no need for PMs, a public post on this thread, where I can see what you've written - that's the way to clear this up, don't you think?

DemiColon · 18/04/2023 00:51

JanesLittleGirl · 17/04/2023 19:22

@Floisme Time is completely untrustworthy. It moves around, speeds up or slows down depending on what you're doing, you can't see it or weigh it but you can measure it.

At the beginning of the 19th century every city in the UK kept different time because noon varies with how far east or west you are and, to a lesser extent, how far north or south (another example of time's untrustworthiness). This didn't matter when it took 2 days to travel from London to Birmingham but it caused chaos once the railway arrived. The government decided that there would only be one time in the UK and it would be Greenwich Mean Time (GMT now known as UTC).

I'll stop now because you're probably losing the will to live but time is very odd.

I think it's very helpful to remember that people in the past were much less concerned with numbers on a clock. They didn't have clocks. Noon was when the sun was highest, which would be different depending on where you were. Probably you'd stop work and have something to eat then. When you woke up, and when you went to bed, depended mainly on the sun too. You might wake up when it started to be dawn, or even before when your chickens noticed the dawn, which is before human eyes do.

Places that needed to keep better time, like monasteries, developed some ways to do it. Like candles that burned at a certain rate per hour. But it wasn't exact, and the sun was still what you based the timings off of. So many hours after noon, for example.

Even once clocks were developed, their purpose was largely local. No one was traveling quickly or calling overseas, so it didn't matter if a clock in one city was coordinated with a clock in another.