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1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/04/2023 09:53

According to the ONS.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton/

"Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher proportions of transgender people than Brighton and Oxford? These are some of the astonishing results from the 2021 census of England and Wales, which was the first in the world to ask about gender identity."

Why does the census say there are more trans people in Newham than Brighton?

Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher p...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton

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ZirihePevzig · 09/04/2023 16:49

Everything the census says about trans is unreliable and meaningless because of the nonsense questions asked, which assumed that everyone has a faith in magic pixie-dust gender identity, which is a false assumption.

I declared on the census that I don't have a gender identity that matches my sex at birth, explaining further that I have no gender identity whatsoever given that gender is the means by which sexist stereotypes are upheld. I expect that means I am counted under the "trans" umbrella by census statistics despite not being trans, but the only alternative would be to claim that yes I have a female gender identity which would have been a lie. It's a total nonsense.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 09/04/2023 16:48

Obviously that creates another huge issue for that community that TW are finding yet another female space they can identify into accessing as Mosques are sex-segregated.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 09/04/2023 16:46

Didn't mean for that to be crossed out, I was trying to put it between em-dashes.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 09/04/2023 16:46

As well as English not being many people's first language in Britain, I've come across a lot of "trans" identified white people who also identify as Muslim born again Muslim if you will, and that happened at the same time that they "became" trans which is probably muddying the waters as well.

Shelefttheweb · 09/04/2023 16:34

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 16:18

The last one!

Oh my giddy aunt!

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😁I was randomly entering languages and forgot to note which that was!

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 16:18

Shelefttheweb · 09/04/2023 16:17

Just tried putting “does your gender identity match your birth sex?” Through google translate into another language then back to English. I got the following outcomes for different languages - the first two were the most common:

Does your gender match your birth gender?
Does your gender identity match your birth gender?
Does your gender match where you were born?
Does your gender identity match your birth date?
Does your gender identity match your gender by birth?
Does your gender match?
Is your gender identity male or female at birth?
Does your identity match your gender?
Is your gender identity the same as your birth partner?
Is your gender identity the same as your penis?

The last one!

Oh my giddy aunt!

Shelefttheweb · 09/04/2023 16:17

Just tried putting “does your gender identity match your birth sex?” Through google translate into another language then back to English. I got the following outcomes for different languages - the first two were the most common:

Does your gender match your birth gender?
Does your gender identity match your birth gender?
Does your gender match where you were born?
Does your gender identity match your birth date?
Does your gender identity match your gender by birth?
Does your gender match?
Is your gender identity male or female at birth?
Does your identity match your gender?
Is your gender identity the same as your birth partner?
Is your gender identity the same as your penis?

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 16:04

Phos · 09/04/2023 15:57

I'm interested in "adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates" I mean if its an innate thing, why would educational qualifications make a difference.

Or is it that this sentence is a bit arse about face and it's actually that being transgender is a hindrance to pursuing/achieving tertiary educational qualifications.

No qualifications sounds like no GCSEs, not just degrees?

titchy · 09/04/2023 16:03

Phos · 09/04/2023 15:57

I'm interested in "adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates" I mean if its an innate thing, why would educational qualifications make a difference.

Or is it that this sentence is a bit arse about face and it's actually that being transgender is a hindrance to pursuing/achieving tertiary educational qualifications.

It means they don't understand the question - same as for those with English as a second/other language.

I thought this was the last ever census though?

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 16:03

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 09/04/2023 15:56

Could a few be teenagers who have got caught up in the social contagion and will grow out of it before long? Just in the same way that Covid or chicken pox is easily spread across different cultures?

Certainly in a secondary school near me teenagers who claim to be bi/trans/rodents are two a penny at the moment. In my day it was punk and we mostly grew out of that too thankfully.

The question was for over 16s only.

I agree there are a huge number of trans identifying teens out there but end of year 8-year 10 seems to be the peak of it? Plus the temporary trans stuff is more prevalent in nicer, middle class areas than in the poorer places.

We need a schools census to understand wtf is happening with teens.

Phos · 09/04/2023 15:57

I'm interested in "adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates" I mean if its an innate thing, why would educational qualifications make a difference.

Or is it that this sentence is a bit arse about face and it's actually that being transgender is a hindrance to pursuing/achieving tertiary educational qualifications.

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 09/04/2023 15:56

Could a few be teenagers who have got caught up in the social contagion and will grow out of it before long? Just in the same way that Covid or chicken pox is easily spread across different cultures?

Certainly in a secondary school near me teenagers who claim to be bi/trans/rodents are two a penny at the moment. In my day it was punk and we mostly grew out of that too thankfully.

Shelefttheweb · 09/04/2023 15:45

It is shocking that they seemed to have only tested the question at LGBTQ+ events. Surely when you test a question you go to the ‘opposite’ group, those with no involvement in the issue, and see how they interpret it?

KatMcBundleFace · 09/04/2023 15:38

I thought it was strange the minute I saw the census results.

It's so mind numbingly stupid. The whole thing isn't worth the paper it's written on. Idiots.

highame · 09/04/2023 15:31

The ONS staff clearly lost the ability to think, which I think is a symptom of being Stonewalled.

Our public services are now in mental freefall at the taxpayers expense. I know this is serious but 😂

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 15:13

Thelnebriati · 09/04/2023 15:00

When you have a large number of people from one area all fill out the same form incorrectly, one explanation is they had help e.g. from a volunteer at a community centre.
Someone should look into that.

Important point.

BlueHeelers · 09/04/2023 15:11

Professor Biggs is a hero in this data analysis. Have a watch of his podcast/YouTube episode of “Gender:A Wider Lens” with Stella O'Malley and Sascha Ayad to get the detail of his data and stats analysis of the shonkiness of trans analysis and so called “research”

Thelnebriati · 09/04/2023 15:00

When you have a large number of people from one area all fill out the same form incorrectly, one explanation is they had help e.g. from a volunteer at a community centre.
Someone should look into that.

thegrain · 09/04/2023 13:44

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 13:42

The costs involved make that impossible really.

We’ll just have to wait another 8 years!

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Maybe they should just not bother with that question then. It seems a tricky one to get right.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 13:42

thegrain · 09/04/2023 13:37

Maybe they need to redo that question

The costs involved make that impossible really.

We’ll just have to wait another 8 years!

thegrain · 09/04/2023 13:37

Maybe they need to redo that question

KnickerlessParsons · 09/04/2023 13:36

JustSpeculation · 09/04/2023 10:18

I have a vague memory of answering "no" to this question, as I don't consider myself as having a gender identity. I can't recall if there was an opportunity to explain this.

Same. I'm sure I answered no for the same reason.
These types of questions need to be so carefully worded.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 13:27

You are probably right! I just hate the idea of public funds being directed away from were they could be used more effectively.

But I suppose at least the idiocy of those who insisted on framing the question this way will get a bit more sunlight?

Pink News are reporting that 15% of trans people in England and Wales are Muslim seemingly without ever stopping to think, ‘hmmm, I wonder why all these trans Muslims aren’t showing up in our own databases/news stories/community events etc?’

Especially when it’s more than double the percentage of Muslims in the overall population?

(last screenshot wikipedia via Google)

1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender
1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender
1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender
1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender
Ourladycheesusedatum · 09/04/2023 13:13

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 11:12

I wonder if this can be cross referenced with health records or if that’s forbidden due to privacy (especially pertaining to the GRA)?

Cass had to get a legal amendment to look for follow up data on former GIDS patients.

One issue was afair some trans women and presumably trans men answered as if they were born the sex they "transitioned" to.

So a trans woman could have answered they were women at birth. Something, something 'born in the wrong body' something. Or as quite a few decided at a very late age they were always the other gender.

The whole sex and gender wang question was as we predicted fucking useless for any shred of useful information.

I actually dont think any more information from any source would clear this up.
Between those not understanding the question and those who deliberately answered wrong and those who ignored it, nothing can save this section of the census.

GingerbreadBaking · 09/04/2023 12:14

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 11:50

It certainly seems that way.

Especially amongst children in the looked after system.

But I imagine it will take many, many years and a lot of hindsight to confirm.

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The politicians, media class, uni profs, charity staff, Teachers, and NHS staff - will DARVO narrative obsolving them of their enabling and direct abuse - will never be given any targeted consequences for their crimes for they are a sacred caste.

Those targeted as victims and taxpayers will pay the price and the lessons learned by the graduate woke elite I think Matt Goodwin on Triggernometry calls them, will learn how to evade personal consequences even better next time.