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1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/04/2023 09:53

According to the ONS.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton/

"Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher proportions of transgender people than Brighton and Oxford? These are some of the astonishing results from the 2021 census of England and Wales, which was the first in the world to ask about gender identity."

Why does the census say there are more trans people in Newham than Brighton?

Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher p...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton

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EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 10:46

website

http://profalices.co.uk/sex-and-gender

Twitter account: https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS

thegrain · 09/04/2023 10:39

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 10:39

Anyone new to the topic who is interested in learning more about the problems in data capture should look up Alice Sullivan.

I’ll dig up some more links but basically, terves warned against this and Alice is the Grand High Terf of Professional Data Collection (and I mean that as a very big compliment)

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.13029

Thank you

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 10:39

Anyone new to the topic who is interested in learning more about the problems in data capture should look up Alice Sullivan.

I’ll dig up some more links but basically, terves warned against this and Alice is the Grand High Terf of Professional Data Collection (and I mean that as a very big compliment)

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.13029

BettyFilous · 09/04/2023 10:37

The last paragraph is sobering, that the census gender questions have been adopted more widely in public funded surveys.

For those who haven’t read it, it’s about respondents’ comprehension of English, the relative complexity of the gender questions and the correlation (in the results) between populations with lower English language skills reporting higher rates of transgender identity, higher than areas like Brighton. Local authorities will be pressed to spend more on supporting trans populations that are likely be the result of over-reporting due to lower English language comprehension in those areas.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2023 10:35

The data from the census is meant to be accurate. It's designed to accurately capture society and provide a baseline for future planning. The capture of the ONS by the trans lobby is a fucking embarrassment. Predictably the communities affected by having incoherent data are the genuinely marginalised & poor, those with English as a 2nd language. Disadvantaged by these narcissistic groups wreaking havoc on society.

thegrain · 09/04/2023 10:28

Just to make clear to people who haven't followed this (like me) the article is discussing the data collection and questions asked. Very interesting.

Redebs · 09/04/2023 10:23

This would be comedy if it wasn't so sad

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 10:23

Kinda chuckling that Brent, whose MP went on telly to say children were born without a sex, is one of the two name checked London boroughs.

(clip via link)

twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1229479868011864065

Tinysoxx · 09/04/2023 10:20

Another good example of why Starmer should be paying attention to this.

JustSpeculation · 09/04/2023 10:18

I have a vague memory of answering "no" to this question, as I don't consider myself as having a gender identity. I can't recall if there was an opportunity to explain this.

InvisibleDragon · 09/04/2023 10:13

Oh wow, what a mess!

MandyMotherOfBrian · 09/04/2023 10:11

Deary me, lies, damned lies and statistics indeed.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 09/04/2023 10:04

We’ve been wanging on about this for ages!

plain language is SO important- both for those who speak English as an additional language and those with low literacy due to SEN and/or missed education.

recently I learned that people often rely on their children to translate so health related materials really need to be aimed at approx average 8 year olds literacy standards.

‘does your gender identity match your sex assigned at birth?’ is as meaningless to many as ‘cervix haver’ is.

So glad we have Biggs and Sullivan keeping an eye on this.