1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender

I don't agree with surgery and endocrine treatment for an autistic child, a child who suffered CSA or trauma, I think teachers, charities, media, NHS that are involved in that are monsters.

Because you want people to answer the question. The problems around issues like faith is the same as those of gender identity (another faith): they are issues of subjective belief. How people with a belief view a question about that faith differs from how people without that belief view that question. Perhaps a better more straightforward question would be:

‘Are you Christian?’ Yes (denomination?)/no.
’Are you Muslim?’ Yes (subdivision if wanted)/no
’Are you Buddhist?’ Yes/No

Or even:

Please tick which of the following apply to you: Christian/Muslim/Queer theory adherent/Jedi/…/Atheist/Agnostic/Other

Any evidence supporting an endocrine and surgery approach to gender identity issues is incredibly flimsy, and subject to considerable controversy and debate both within the NHS and among other medical professionals. Whether surgery and drugs is the correct approach is one of the main reasons for the dismantling of GIDS.

So I'd query your assertion that "the answer" is drugs and surgery.

ONS are having to dance around so many people feeling offended that they can't ask clear questions from people, inducing harm in the vulnerable people who are unable to understand or comprehend questions and then get bad funding later on, it would seem feelings top trump good data collection, so why bother collecting data at all?

Most religious people would not consider themselves to have a religion, anymore than they consider themselves to worship a god and might find the implication insulting to their faith.

So the NHS fund Jewish circumcision? If not why are they funding Queer theory body modification?

Some people are very clear that they don't have a religion. But some (particularly older) people were brought up in Christian traditions but have no ongoing involvement in the church and don't really believe in God and don't give religion much thought. It's that group who may answer "Christian" to "What is your religion?" but "no" to "Do you have a religion?" (And even more likely "no" to "Do you believe in God?", interestingly)

I came across one guy and he is so messed up he says he is an athiest and yet he talks about karma (in this life, things coming back at you) and the mark of the beast and how he isn't taking digital ID.

I don't know how he can be all at once?

I don't think many people recognise that they have a religion when they do.

No matter how you frame that question they would deny it, as they don't recognise that they are in one. I would also include some who would tick a standard religion who also have queer ideology as another and don't recognise that they do, for example many on the Dalai Lama thread seem to overlap Buddhism with woke ideology.

I think the religion/ideolgy/beliefs section needs to be totally overhauled.

So if it is a mental health issue why is the answer endocrine and surgery?

Why is the comorbid mental health condition FII in many Professionals in the wider community and parents at Tavistock not following the NHS/police standart treatment for FII?

The census religion question was similarly flawed to the trans one in one sense. They asked "What it your religion?". "No religion" was a tick box option but that's not actually an answer to what your religion is. What they should have asked was first "Do you have a religion?" And then (if yes) "What is your religion?" They question they used is worded to presuppose everyone has a religion. It's well known that wording the question as they did produces a higher number of people saying they have a religion than the more open question of asking first whether they have one - which is why religion groups have resisted any changes to this question.

Similarly with the trans question they could have asked "Do you have a gender identity that differs from the sex you were registered at birth?" But instead they asked "Is your gender identity the same as the sex you were registered at birth", which presupposes everyone to have a gender identity. That's a political call that they made.

Do you mean trans issues aren't identified by the NHS as a mental health issue?

Well it is treated under the mental health pathway, and GIDS was established within the Tavistock and Portland Trust, which is a specialist mental health unit, and the trust also treats adults with gender identity issues including dysphoria.

The proposed local centres to replace GIDS will also have a mental-health focus.

I'd say the NHS therefore do consider it to be a mental health issue, despite what some individual doctors might say.

Is it classed as like in the USA as a sexual orientation towards sexual attraction and love of the self?

Why do UK taxpayers have to fund narcissistic cosmetic surgery if so?

It's not a mental health condition according to mental health experts in the NHS.

It's not fabricated induced illness according to the NHS and police.

It is not a religion according to ONS.

What is it?

Yes, there was an option to state "no religion"

@Ourladycheesusedatum No special insider knowledge required! It's in this publication (which I shared earlier, but admittedly this thread has got quite long) https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2021-census-what-do-we-know-about-the-lgbt-population/#:~:text=Around%20262%2C000%20people%20(0.5%25),identity%20as%20'trans%20woman'.

It's 30,000 people wrote in "non- binary", compared with 48,000 writing trans men and 48,000 trans woman (I suspect they're rounding figures a bit here). 48,000 = 0.1% of adults being asked this question, so 30,000 is about 0.07% of adults saying they are non binary.

The disputed figures are the remaining 0.2% who said "no" to "Is you gender identity the same as your sex registered at birth?" but didn't write anything in and appear to be disproportionately people low English language skills. (These's also a further 18,000 who wrote in another gender identity - which could be anything - eg "fluid", "I don't have a gender identity", "birth not registered", "man", "women", etc)

You may as well have an AI app or someone like Angela Rayner in those jobs if all that is required is a bouncer with memory recall skills making sure each diagnosis fits into an NHS flowchart or classroom chants the correct words! Those who struggle get nothing from the so called skill set, who are bad value for money to the taxpayers.

https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1646416142536155136/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1646416142536155136&currentTweetUser=KayBurley

I can't recall the religion question, which is where gender identity I think belongs, was there an option for athiest?

I am going to rant again sorry school past.

Drs are no better than Teachers, about a third have critical thinking skills and are actual scientists, most are memory recall parrots who should have taken up work in pathology. They aren't able to diagnose anything out if the ordinary and even they then can't and u believe, having multi system complex physical stuff myself and my children that they too like to keep people sick as a group of teachers like to keep children with poor literacy skills.

It's a shame that nobody does anything about taxpayers wated money on these people too.

These are the unthinking, cowards or FII endocrinology departments who are dragging this country down.

Instead of being in the G8 they want us in the G20 with litigation and poor outcomes for the vulnerable, that is the end result of their behaviour. They should be weeded out and their training written off rather tham hang on to rubbish that needs binning - like a sink cost falacy gambler and not be given a DBS style job again. Who the heck selects these people for the training in the first place as they too are shit at their job and a bad return for the taxpayers.

I think the only way to do this was to not answer the question.

Or answer the question (which implied you did have a gender identity) and then write in that you didn't.

Professional, managerial-class ­people have had the training on gender language and gender identity.

Yet many are still confused by both, and the question was doubly confusing because (as far as I remember) there was no option to respond “I don’t have a gender identity” - when (as far as I know) most people don’t.

R5 (I think - could have been R4 as I listen to both) had their “inclusivity” correspondent on to explain some of the background to Humza’s idiotic GRR challenge yesterday.

Putting aside her clear bias when presenting the background, one of the things she quoted was this very obviously nonsensical 0.5% figure, as a ‘fact.’

She didn’t say where she’d plucked it from, on air, and I was left shouting at the radio scratching my head as to why she’d say it. I hadn’t, yet, seen that it was the result of the census.

So now it’s being circulated, unchallenged, on the Beeb which, (Lord alone knows why), is still seen as an accurate source by many.

What I am saying is that it takes no skill whatsoever to teach a child how to read write and spell if that child can look at a letter and has the ability to just know for life, any random person can do that.

The skill and the way to bring up this country is to teach the children who can't do that and not all will have a low IQ, the skill in spotting them, testing and helping them is something that is worth a £50k package a year otherwise you may as well pay a low IQ person £20k a year to child mind and save the taxpayers money - to chant TWAW propoganda as they can't safeguard either, they can't seem to do much that helps the nation from where I am.

I mean I have zero teaching qualifications and could do a better job than any teacher for myself and my child, I taught her coping skills so well at university when she finally got a test they were blown away how she was doing so well.

Trans population may be 'significantly overestimated' in 2021 census https://mol.im/a/11966765 via https://dailym.ai/android

@Ourladycheesusedatum ”Many have a new birth certificate too that marks them as female. I mean you cant argue with a birth certificate.”

This is one of the myths, since the GRA was introduced in 2004 approximately 6000 people have obtained a GRC. That is 6% of the people who claim to be trans gender in the census.

A big problem is the widening the trans umbrella and claiming rights that technically only those with a GRC are entitled to claim. Lady Haldane’s judgement basically said legal sex includes women and those with a GRC whose birth certificate now says female, it did not include everyone with the pc gender reassignment.

Another myth is to get a GRC you need to be taking cross sex hormones or have had surgery. Most people who are trans gender, irrespective of whether they have a GRC, do not take cross sex hormones or have surgery.