Dylan Mulvaney needs to carry tampons to offer to bio women

@WarriorN

This so upsetting. I am a mother of daughters. I’m in tears right now. I appreciate you making us aware of this.

"Dylan Mulvaney is a terrible role model for girls.

This is from ED Twitter, which is made up mostly of teen girls with very real disorders.

This post has nearly 1900 likes so far.

The comments are heartbreaking. I’ll share some below, but I’m editing out names."

twitter.com/camilladeville_/status/1647455732340518913?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

DM is now a role model for girls with eating disorders who are contemplating mastectomies to achieve his "look."

That’s ok we don’t have to agree.

What’s a “drag” programme? Lily Savage and Dame Edna were mainstream.

I don’t agree that they are though - unless you watch drag programmes or follow drag acts. Trans people are pushing to be part of the societal wallpaper that none of us can escape from - whereas I can escape Sam Smith very easily (thank god)

… that drag acts are part of the wallpaper…

And your point is?

They’re TV/media not stage. Never said they were TRA - and that’s not the point.

• Dylan Mulvaney excepted

They are stage personas - as far as I know RuPaul isn’t part of the TRA activist movement to use single sex spaces

I'm not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but I would bet my house that Dylan has Histrionic Personality Disorder. He needs help, not affirmation

Yes

Is that in response to me @Mirabai ?

RuPaul, Dylan Mulvaney, Lily Savage, Edna Everage aren’t limited to pantomime are they..? Sam Smith is going through a drag phase…

Do ’we’ see it as part of the wallpaper? I don’t - I see dames and drags as outdated and misogynistic, but they are usually contained to pantomimes, the stage or drunken parties so not part of the general wallpaper of society. Men dressing as women as fighting for their right to use a female toilet or female prison for example is a very different beast and as offensive as someone colouring their face and identifying as another race or an able bodied person pretending to be disabled.

Re tampons, some women don’t use them and they tend to disintegrate after a month or two of being carried around.

Even leaving everything else aside, Tampax is not the answer.

@Merrymouse

I think it very much depends on the intention. To me Nirvana/Placebo/Manics was a progressive thing. The two transgender people I knew - it felt like a positive portrayal of who they are.

Widow Twanky - no. That’s a deliberate attempt to belittle women.

They were not trying to mock or belittle women, they were using make up/clothing in a positive way to identify who they are.

Look up the meaning of ‘fish’ in this context.

I imagine that men do drag for many different reasons. They don’t all do it with malign intent, but equally there is nothing intrinsically progressive about drag either. Ironically it relies on the idea that behaviour and dress associated with femininity is not acceptable in men.

Xpost - I think the point is we’re so used to men parodying women that we see it as part of the wallpaper - whereas parodying black people is clearly wrong.

I’m a poc though not black - I don’t find Alex Guinness’s boot polish role in Passage to India offensive because it’s a genuine performance not a parody. It’s naive and somewhat bizarre and hasn’t aged well but he’s not a minstrel.

I think there’s a difference between drag queens, Widow Twanky & DM who parody and mock women with derogatory stereotyping; and trans who just get on with it - I don’t have any issue with trans per se.

I’m simply against parodying and denigrating women and hijacking their private spaces and sports, and male parodies of women used to sell products to us.

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry

Hmm. I wouldn’t find drag or panto offensive tho in the majority of cases, or if there is a positive intention?? But yes - a 70’s panto dame could very well be offensive… I guess it depends if there is a deliberate attempt to cause harm?? And harm in terms of societies values of today? How do you define what a man/woman can or can’t wear? Is Brian Molko in eyeliner : womanface?

Blackface is so extreme and it’s whole origin is in causing harm to others.

I must say if I needed a tampon my first thought wouldn’t be to ask a man on account of the fact he doesn’t, in fact, have any need for one due to the very clear lack of any female bodily parts.

Womanface performance comes from the same place of disrespect at blackface. Drag, panto, the lot. Mocking women to reduce their humanity.

A man who chooses to wear clothes more usually associated with women while going about their life may not be 'performing', but presenting what they feel is their authentic self.

I leave that open because I have met some boys and men who when they put on skirts or whatever are certainly doing it to disparage women, 'for a laugh' or otherwise (I've never found it amusing).

In my lifetime, I’ve known a past Dad who transitioned to become his son’s Auntie. I went to a nightclub with someone who preferred to identify as a woman, and was dressed as a woman.

In both cases I had a real sense of fragility and vulnerability from talking to them. I felt it was absolutely not my place to challenge or question how they were choosing to live their lives.

There are previous posts here comparing to blackface. No it’s not the same, and I would find that comparison offensive.

Blackface has its origins in Minstrel shows which I understand were to mock black slaves. It was to belittle and laugh at the black race. That’s why it’s offensive.

The two people I know who were choosing to dress as women - came from a place of trying to feel comfortable and understand who they are. They were not trying to mock or belittle women, they were using make up/clothing in a positive way to identify who they are. I was never outraged when I saw Nirvana or Manic Street Preachers wearing dresses on stage. It wasn’t a parody. I felt it was a positive message.

My life has been one whole self-centred exercise in self-satisfaction!

Well I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

These linked articles are both worth reading, even Daily Mail one which contains some details from the daughter the Times account does not.

The account I referred to above as the birth of one of their kids - was actually the death of one of them (excuse my poor memory). Morris wrote in her memoirs that she and her wife held hands crying all night in the hospital. In fact, her wife went through the loss of their daughter completely alone - Jan was elsewhere.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11527279/Celebrated-writer-Jan-Morris-bully-hug-children-daughter-claims.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jan-morris-was-a-trans-pioneer-and-a-cruel-parent-9x82s5cg9