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Nike choose Dylan Mulvaney to promote womens sportswear range.

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viques · 07/04/2023 08:33

Do you know what Nike? Forget about “just do it”, as far as I am concerned you can just do one.

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AliceOlive · 10/04/2023 19:24

Jinx @miri1985 !

RealityFan · 10/04/2023 19:08

MrsMurphyIWish · 10/04/2023 18:46

My daughter has played football for a few years now. Her first season (when she was in Yr 5) she played against a team that had a team girl. Baring in mind, girls get into football late and boys start from toddlers (in franchises such as “little kickers”), this “girl” demolished my daughter’s team. At the end of the game she asked why a boy was on the opposing team - hard conversation followed. Luckily, she didn’t let it fit her off and she now in Yr 7 and plays locally, for the county and her school. I won’t forget that first game she played though.

What a star...her first experience of misogyny, and she discovered first time that it runs deep.

And good for her for sticking it out. She'll be a complete woman long after the fluff that is Dylan Mulvaney has drifted into obscurity.

That's my message to everyone on this thread. Ignore Dylan, and the pure cult of personality, and the skewed priorities all of this represents.

Realise that DM, Nike etc etc, all mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Maintain laser focus, boycott the brands letting us down, tell the politicians what's what. And don't let these attention seekers and feeble minded "elites" ever put you down.

I genuinely believe the Rubicon has already been crossed, the law is tightening, evidence on medicalisation is undeniable, sport is finding its sanity, Sturgeon has done the invaluable service of shining that spotlight.

DM and Nike? Yesterday's news.

MrsMurphyIWish · 10/04/2023 18:46

*trans girl

MrsMurphyIWish · 10/04/2023 18:46

nilsmousehammer · 10/04/2023 10:36

I remember when I was eleven or twelve, due to short staffing the boys in my year were sent to join the girls on the hockey pitch, and staff tried to run a mixed sex game.

The boys whacked with such strength, force, and such lack of care for where anyone else was or their safety, that within a couple of minutes every girl on the pitch, me included, had backed away and left them to it. There were only boys left on the pitch. That was children of eleven and twelve, and three years earlier at primary we'd all been playing mixed sex PE sports without a second thought. The difference by that point was very obvious, and puberty was barely started.

My daughter has played football for a few years now. Her first season (when she was in Yr 5) she played against a team that had a team girl. Baring in mind, girls get into football late and boys start from toddlers (in franchises such as “little kickers”), this “girl” demolished my daughter’s team. At the end of the game she asked why a boy was on the opposing team - hard conversation followed. Luckily, she didn’t let it fit her off and she now in Yr 7 and plays locally, for the county and her school. I won’t forget that first game she played though.

oakleaffy · 10/04/2023 16:06

Mumped · 09/04/2023 18:35

We need a Nike tick and ‘Just Fuck Off’

Brilliant! We absolutely do!

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 10/04/2023 15:08

borntobequiet · 10/04/2023 11:08

Not doubting you but surely some of the boys would have been injured too if this was the case?

Another difference between men and women, boys and girls, is their attitude towards potential injury. Males tend to risky behaviour more than females, young ones especially. They assume that if anyone is to be hurt, it won’t be them.
I taught apprentices for a number of years, roughly evenly divided between male and female. The ratio of learners turning up to class with injuries was about 5:1 M:F. Most injuries to young men were from two causes; Rugby (tackles and collisions) and motorbikes. Football featured as well. Injuries to young women were mostly accidental, at work, at home or when out and about. (One girl who played Rugby at regional and national level came in with a hamstring injury she’d got when training.)

I can substantiate that in a workplace requiring physical labour (e.g. warehouse/postal depot) with equal numbers of male and female employees, it is disproportionately often the young male employees who are caught breaking H&S regs.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/04/2023 13:08

Didn't seem to. They weren't being inappropriate or doing anything wrong, my point is that they played with a force that was alarming and different to the force a girls only team played.

Ah Ok. It was where you said they played without regard for safety - it made it sound more universally dangerous.

I still remember at school when we played cricket and the boys would make sneering remarks and move inwards when we played a game that was based on cricket. They did this, particularly to me because I'm small, and hopeless at sports. I am, however, fuelled by anger and I had been taught how to play cricket by a neighbour boy. They wished they hadn't done that.

SidewaysOtter · 10/04/2023 12:36

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 20:51

Fuck this patronising bullshit all the way to forever. Fuck Nike. Fuck corporate genderwashing. Fuck performative mockery of women. Fuck unfairness. Fuck misogyny. Fuck anyone pretending some camp mannerisms and dollyfrocks have fucking any connection whatsoever to being a woman, with a woman's body and a woman's life and all of the bleeding and breeding and pressures and trials and traumas that entails. Fuck these cynical bullshit genderwang merchants all the way to the wrong side of history.

Brilliant post. I want this on a t-shirt!

nilsmousehammer · 10/04/2023 12:29

Helleofabore · 10/04/2023 12:18

Bodies.

Female’s bodies.

It's interesting how many times we have to come back down to this.

For the males, it's feelings. Always all about the feelings.

The practical issues for females are always their bodies. Practical, physical impact and requirement to provide for male use. Self preservation or wanting autonomy is bigoted, selfish, genocide and 'being a Nazi'.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2023 12:18

Bodies.

Female’s bodies.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2023 12:17

It is a little like hearing about women who play men who are used to hitting the tennis ball with power to get aces on their serves. Female connective tissue and muscles take a battering that they are . And if it is a particular time of menstrual cycle, it can be even more harmful.

Therefore even stopping a legit height hockey ball hit with power from a male can cause damage, but it can also be as simple as being extra tiring for some female players to be fielding that power.

Like in football, a male kicking a football with more power causes a female neck and brain more damage than a female powered ball.

Exposure over time surely has to increase the damage to females.

Lastnamedidntstick · 10/04/2023 11:27

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/04/2023 10:45

The boys whacked with such strength, force, and such lack of care for where anyone else was or their safety, that within a couple of minutes every girl on the pitch, me included, had backed away and left them to it.

Not doubting you but surely some of the boys would have been injured too if this was the case?

Girls will back off more easily. Boys are socialised into being macho and would see it as a weakness.

girls are also conditioned into holding back physically so they don’t hurt people. There aren’t many girls would whack back equally hard, even if they could. This leaves boys knowing, even subconsciously, that they can tackle a girl with little chance of being hurt. They may not tackle another boy in the same way as they risk injury to themselves.

borntobequiet · 10/04/2023 11:08

Not doubting you but surely some of the boys would have been injured too if this was the case?

Another difference between men and women, boys and girls, is their attitude towards potential injury. Males tend to risky behaviour more than females, young ones especially. They assume that if anyone is to be hurt, it won’t be them.
I taught apprentices for a number of years, roughly evenly divided between male and female. The ratio of learners turning up to class with injuries was about 5:1 M:F. Most injuries to young men were from two causes; Rugby (tackles and collisions) and motorbikes. Football featured as well. Injuries to young women were mostly accidental, at work, at home or when out and about. (One girl who played Rugby at regional and national level came in with a hamstring injury she’d got when training.)

nilsmousehammer · 10/04/2023 11:04

Didn't seem to. They weren't being inappropriate or doing anything wrong, my point is that they played with a force that was alarming and different to the force a girls only team played.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/04/2023 10:45

The boys whacked with such strength, force, and such lack of care for where anyone else was or their safety, that within a couple of minutes every girl on the pitch, me included, had backed away and left them to it.

Not doubting you but surely some of the boys would have been injured too if this was the case?

nilsmousehammer · 10/04/2023 10:36

Helleofabore · 09/04/2023 20:04

After seeing female hockey players ‘non-contact’ tackle each other for a ball at full speed, there is no fucking way that is safe for a male to do under the guise of being in a female team.

Nor an uncontrolled ball coming at legit height with male shoulder power and skeletal leverage behind it. Or the male ability to change directions more quickly due to male twitch muscles. Or female more fragile brain fibres and neck muscles so if there is a collision the likelihood is the male travelling faster with greater momentum and could cause significantly more damage.

Really, only a numpty who is fucking clueless about women’s hockey would ever suggest it was
‘safe’ to field a male in a female team.

I remember when I was eleven or twelve, due to short staffing the boys in my year were sent to join the girls on the hockey pitch, and staff tried to run a mixed sex game.

The boys whacked with such strength, force, and such lack of care for where anyone else was or their safety, that within a couple of minutes every girl on the pitch, me included, had backed away and left them to it. There were only boys left on the pitch. That was children of eleven and twelve, and three years earlier at primary we'd all been playing mixed sex PE sports without a second thought. The difference by that point was very obvious, and puberty was barely started.

Boiledbeetle · 10/04/2023 00:05

ArabellaScott · 09/04/2023 18:18

Fuck off, Dylan Mulvaney. Fuck off with your offensive fucking shtick. I don't give a fuck about you or your feelings or your fucking desires. Just take your embarrassing fucking appropriation of some bullshit 1950s ad man's version of 'feminine' and fuck off and fuck off again and fuck off forever.

Ditto from me!

Helleofabore · 09/04/2023 20:04

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 09/04/2023 19:37

Found an image for this thread!

Helle Female hockey player after female hockey player came on to tell him that they had played mixed sex hockey and how many more times women got injured in it compared to.women's only. They described the qualitative differences between mixed-sex and female-only. They spelt out to him that women playing women's hockey had evidently picked to play it over a mixed-sex team, and there were reasons for that.

None of that mattered to him. He in his man's body does not experience increased injury risk in mixed-sex hockey, so therefore women can't. And women cannot possibly be allowed to judge the risk and decide what risk is acceptable for themselves when it is their bodies that will be injured. Nope! What would they know of their own opinions?

(We're not even getting into how the OP discovered the opposing team was fielding male players by... finding them in the female changing rooms)

Male feelings are more important than female safety.

After seeing female hockey players ‘non-contact’ tackle each other for a ball at full speed, there is no fucking way that is safe for a male to do under the guise of being in a female team.

Nor an uncontrolled ball coming at legit height with male shoulder power and skeletal leverage behind it. Or the male ability to change directions more quickly due to male twitch muscles. Or female more fragile brain fibres and neck muscles so if there is a collision the likelihood is the male travelling faster with greater momentum and could cause significantly more damage.

Really, only a numpty who is fucking clueless about women’s hockey would ever suggest it was
‘safe’ to field a male in a female team.

ArabellaScott · 09/04/2023 19:47

Yes, I want the man telling me, a grown woman, that he knows how it is to be woman because of fucking hair and some facial surgery to fuck off and stop insulting me.

And insulting women who work their arses off to get ahead in their sporting endeavours, while faffing about uselessly in a field? Fuck off. Fuck off with your faux naif twaddle.

And getting a letter from the fucking VP to congratulate this twit on being fucking authentic? The most steaming pile of shite I've ever heard, you disingenuous lying, patronising, idiot bastards.

Fake, lying, bullshit pish.

Abhannmor · 09/04/2023 19:44

My old flatmate back in the day was always moaning about his boss , P J Mulvaney. A subcontractor from , iirc , County Mayo.

Old P J didn't pass very well either. But I digress.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 09/04/2023 19:42

Mumped Bonus Deadpool, too!