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Riley Gaines assaulted

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Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:28

She is the swimmer who has spoken out about Lia Thomas (both about him exposing himself in the changing room and being forced to compete against him). Now she's been attacked at San Francisco state university

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The mob violence is escalating

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CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 14:03

Then at the very end they tell the audience that they were all reading out the testimonies of actual women!

That would be an interesting exercise.

I think we are now past peak, killing three 60 year olds and three 9 year olds after soup on a 5 foot 1 one and breaking bones in the face of a 72 year old.

This is the beginning of the end for them.

Boiledbeetle · 07/04/2023 13:57

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:03

So those women screaming at her are screaming for the right of men to force women to be naked in front of them.

That woman screaming ‘bitch’ has no understanding of how deeply she’s internalized make hatred of women.
That testimony from Riley was really moving. If a trans person gave such an account that mob would watch it with tear filled eyes. When it’s a women talking of the trauma of been allowed no boundaries or rights, they have no empathy.

Honestly, I see that mob, screaming abuse as absolutely no different from the mob in that famous photo of the black young women, walking through a screaming white mob as they attend a newly desegregated school. I have heard people defend that mob as ‘oh well everyone thought like that then’ but that’s no excuse. There was an active debate and there’s no excuse for having not heard and understood both sides. You can’t be in a screaming hate filled mob if you have heard both sides.

That testimony from Riley was really moving. If a trans person gave such an account that mob would watch it with tear filled eyes. When it’s a women talking of the trauma of been allowed no boundaries or rights, they have no empathy.

It's about time the trans community who get it, who know they aren't the opposite sex start infiltrating these more aggressive groups

I'd love to see a TRA event where a load of transwomen get up and give their moving testimonies as the crowd watching sympathise with them.

Then at the very end they tell the audience that they were all reading out the testimonies of actual women!

meetoo23 · 07/04/2023 13:55

Not - 'Can I just say, as someone who has lived with someone who gave me no right to bodily privacy when undressing or washing, that it’s the being forced to be naked/ undressing in front of a male who you don’t want to see you naked, that is so awful. '

Me too Not. I was 10 and it was my stepfather. That was just the beginning.

The imperative for privacy has never left me.

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:46

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 13:16

If they were getting worse, after attacking three 9 year old children they would have moved on to attacking say 6 year old children and more than three.

Instead they are going after one young woman at the peak of fitness.

Dear Lord.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 13:41

Abhannmor · 07/04/2023 13:21

I recall seeing an interview with a lesbian who was assaulted by TRA women at a protest after WiSpa. She said something similar - they seemed like ' not the most popular girls'.

Revenge of the nerds . And in the Riley Gaines assault its even more delicious : they get to abuse a woman who is indeed popular and successful.

Thanks for the study on schadenfreude @CheekyRascals . Something I need to watch out for in myself!

Riley is young, physically fit, she has many people supporting her, she has done very well in her sport, she is brave and very pretty.

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 13:27

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 13:16

If they were getting worse, after attacking three 9 year old children they would have moved on to attacking say 6 year old children and more than three.

Instead they are going after one young woman at the peak of fitness.

What a load of bollocks.

circleback · 07/04/2023 13:23

Some of those women have probably watched the Handmaid’s Tale and were horrified at the stoning scene - there was a word for it, something beginning with e? - where they all turn on a woman. They probably hate Aunt Lydia. And yet here they are. Is it because violence is ok against the wrong side? It seems to be a common view on the TRA side.

Abhannmor · 07/04/2023 13:21

WarriorN · 07/04/2023 12:26

Female TRAs I've come across sometimes to me seem to have been the girls who weren't particularly popular, rather emo, or even bullied. They channel their anger into this.

I hope Riley is ok. I dread to think what else they'd have done to her if she had no protection.

I recall seeing an interview with a lesbian who was assaulted by TRA women at a protest after WiSpa. She said something similar - they seemed like ' not the most popular girls'.

Revenge of the nerds . And in the Riley Gaines assault its even more delicious : they get to abuse a woman who is indeed popular and successful.

Thanks for the study on schadenfreude @CheekyRascals . Something I need to watch out for in myself!

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 13:16

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:01

I don’t understand what you are saying at all, let alone in response to my post.

If they were getting worse, after attacking three 9 year old children they would have moved on to attacking say 6 year old children and more than three.

Instead they are going after one young woman at the peak of fitness.

StopStartStop · 07/04/2023 13:12

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:07

To all the posters saying ‘ no one want to see a dock in their changing room’. Can I just say, as someone who has lived with someone who gave me no right to bodily privacy when undressing or washing, that it’s the being forced to be naked/ undressing in front of a male who you don’t want to see you naked, that is so awful. It says very clearly, ‘ you are nothing, you are worthless, you have no rights and no power’. It’s an absolutely clear and unambiguous shout of dominance and control. You can see how Riley is crying when she recounts this to the committee.

It’s why I’m so furious at those women, and men, screaming at her that she has to submit to this. They are actively seeking to create a class of men that women have to submit themselves to, even in their most intimate and vulnerable moments. Women have no rights if they don’t even have the right to choose who they are naked in front of. Those protestors disgust me.

And this.

StopStartStop · 07/04/2023 13:11

Riley Gaines is a brave woman. I'm sorry this has happened to her.

Whaeanui · 07/04/2023 13:10

I do agree with you @Notatmine no male sees me naked except my husband. Even guys I know and trust! I don’t get changed with my dad or brothers? It’s so wrong to make women and girls uncomfortable about our boundaries

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:08

That should have said, ‘dick in their changing room’

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:07

To all the posters saying ‘ no one want to see a dock in their changing room’. Can I just say, as someone who has lived with someone who gave me no right to bodily privacy when undressing or washing, that it’s the being forced to be naked/ undressing in front of a male who you don’t want to see you naked, that is so awful. It says very clearly, ‘ you are nothing, you are worthless, you have no rights and no power’. It’s an absolutely clear and unambiguous shout of dominance and control. You can see how Riley is crying when she recounts this to the committee.

It’s why I’m so furious at those women, and men, screaming at her that she has to submit to this. They are actively seeking to create a class of men that women have to submit themselves to, even in their most intimate and vulnerable moments. Women have no rights if they don’t even have the right to choose who they are naked in front of. Those protestors disgust me.

NotHavingIt · 07/04/2023 13:01

Misstache · 07/04/2023 11:35

I think the particular violence in this case is because this is one definitive issue almost no one agrees with. Remember that Trans group did the survey and on TW in sports no matter what the political orientation, the vast vast majority were against TW competing with women. (And then the Trans group recommended tying it is an issue to Black rights to try to get people to agree.) So they can’t let Riley speak because even your committed liberal who hates Republicans and is sympathetic to Trans kids and believes Trans women are dying and all the rest still doesn’t think sports should be mixed. And if they’re honest, they’re uncomfortable with penis in the change room too. So to avoid actually confronting that no sane woman wants to see unsolicited penis, they have to shut Riley down violently. They know any normal person listening will say “hang on, I believe in Trans rights, but I didn’t think that meant getting naked in the change rooms or winning championships against women.” They can’t allow that to happen so the screaming and violence is the distraction.

Whilst simultaneously getting very heated and upset that violence against women and girls is still a thing. They haven't ventured as far as to wonder why. They know women are, and always will be, vulnerable to male pattterns of behaviour and violence - but have to hold to a belief that some males can magically transform into females and thus are no longer a threat of any kind.

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 13:01

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 12:24

If they were escalating then they would have gone down in age and up in numbers for the children they are killing and it would have happened on that day of vengeance, they haven't. They are attacking older females not younger children.

I don’t understand what you are saying at all, let alone in response to my post.

NotHavingIt · 07/04/2023 12:53

Misstache · 07/04/2023 10:12

I’ve protested at events and been at events that were protested in turn - people turning out to protest Bush during the Iraq War, pro life people protesting and being protested, Israel/Palestine protests, literal actual Holocaust deniers speaking, people protesting corporations and oil and politicians from genocidal regimes. People who have lost loved ones to violence are at many of these protests and I’ve never, ever, seen this kind of energy and I’ve stood beside people protesting a politician in a regime that murdered their family members. Normally people - including the people protesting you - chant, hold signs, yell “shame” and read out either demands or accusation. But punching people, screaming obscenities, the level of hysteria and rage (and yes, it seemed to be largely from young women in that clip), the following of her to shout misogynist insults, the absolute shrieking, frothing rage - I genuinely haven’t seen that. What is it about this issue that genuinely unhinges people or that teaches this is the necessary response? Is it the rhetoric? The crowd energy? I genuinely don’t know.

It is likem a contemporary Salem type witch trial. Girls are particularly susceptible to group contagion and, dare I say it' hysteria'.

I understand that witch films are on trend at present.

WarriorN · 07/04/2023 12:26

Female TRAs I've come across sometimes to me seem to have been the girls who weren't particularly popular, rather emo, or even bullied. They channel their anger into this.

I hope Riley is ok. I dread to think what else they'd have done to her if she had no protection.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 12:24

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:09

Yes they are. Just look at the trans genocide claim and calling us nazis. The dehumanization alongside the creation of the fiction that we are a threat has been used by every movement that wanted to target and harm another population. And it’s been used against us.

This is terrorism that is being used against us.

If they were escalating then they would have gone down in age and up in numbers for the children they are killing and it would have happened on that day of vengeance, they haven't. They are attacking older females not younger children.

teawamutu · 07/04/2023 12:21

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:07

TWAW’ has shown how much women’s rights are still dependent on the whims of men - and how quickly those rights can be taken away

This puts it really well.

Which means, of course, that they were never rights. Just privileges bestowed by the ruling class.

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:09

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 08:52

They are working their way up to murder. This may sound like hyperbole but I honestly believe that this is where they are going.

I hope that Riley has good protection and is safe.

Yes they are. Just look at the trans genocide claim and calling us nazis. The dehumanization alongside the creation of the fiction that we are a threat has been used by every movement that wanted to target and harm another population. And it’s been used against us.

This is terrorism that is being used against us.

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:07

TWAW’ has shown how much women’s rights are still dependent on the whims of men - and how quickly those rights can be taken away

This puts it really well.

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 12:03

So those women screaming at her are screaming for the right of men to force women to be naked in front of them.

That woman screaming ‘bitch’ has no understanding of how deeply she’s internalized make hatred of women.
That testimony from Riley was really moving. If a trans person gave such an account that mob would watch it with tear filled eyes. When it’s a women talking of the trauma of been allowed no boundaries or rights, they have no empathy.

Honestly, I see that mob, screaming abuse as absolutely no different from the mob in that famous photo of the black young women, walking through a screaming white mob as they attend a newly desegregated school. I have heard people defend that mob as ‘oh well everyone thought like that then’ but that’s no excuse. There was an active debate and there’s no excuse for having not heard and understood both sides. You can’t be in a screaming hate filled mob if you have heard both sides.

NotBadConsidering · 07/04/2023 11:53

teawamutu · 07/04/2023 09:54

I do wonder if the violence is escalating because the institutional capture is slipping.

A couple of years ago, no-one would have hosted an outspoken GC woman, pre-Forstater she would have been sacked, pre-Fair Cop she would have been arrested, and the government would have insisted the aggressors were women. TRAs didn't 'need' to violent, everyone was doing the enforcement of orthodoxy for them.

This is accurate.