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Riley Gaines assaulted

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Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:28

She is the swimmer who has spoken out about Lia Thomas (both about him exposing himself in the changing room and being forced to compete against him). Now she's been attacked at San Francisco state university

twitter.com/hogshead3au/status/1644202379376578560?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

The mob violence is escalating

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TiddyTidTwo · 07/04/2023 23:50

I tried to be central. It doesn't work. I'm sick of seeing this crap. They're getting more and more obtuse, violent and just damn rude.

I'm done

nepeta · 07/04/2023 19:43

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 19:38

The change in model so that students are fee paying customers with universities in a competitive market is part of the picture, ( in the UK at least, but hasn’t it always been like that in the USA?), but the other half is the development of academics as activist researchers, with all pretense at objectivity not just abandoned but actually derided.

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A good point. Wonder if the two are ultimately related, though? Students demanding certain types of research, universities responding by relaxing standards of evidence and debate?

Notatmine · 07/04/2023 19:38

nepeta · 07/04/2023 19:13

The fee-paying customers argument does have a lot to do with this. There was a time when students entered the university expecting to be challenged, to have their minds expanded, to learn critical thinking etc.

It wasn't all wonderful as universities have always been hierarchical institutions, and they certainly needed much more work.

But the basic understanding was NOT that students enter all finished with their mind development and that so the universities should respect and honour all their initial views and not challenge them at all.

Now it seems to be the reverse of that where the expectation is that of a self-service restaurant where the students only pick some additional bits of information which won't make them feel uncomfortable at all. And feeling uncomfortable is now labeled as feeling unsafe.

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The change in model so that students are fee paying customers with universities in a competitive market is part of the picture, ( in the UK at least, but hasn’t it always been like that in the USA?), but the other half is the development of academics as activist researchers, with all pretense at objectivity not just abandoned but actually derided.

nepeta · 07/04/2023 19:13

Laladybird · 07/04/2023 19:04

Lots of comments that these teenagers & youngsters are mad. Well yes, but where are the adults? Is the university going to expel them? Probably not as they are fee paying customers.

The fee-paying customers argument does have a lot to do with this. There was a time when students entered the university expecting to be challenged, to have their minds expanded, to learn critical thinking etc.

It wasn't all wonderful as universities have always been hierarchical institutions, and they certainly needed much more work.

But the basic understanding was NOT that students enter all finished with their mind development and that so the universities should respect and honour all their initial views and not challenge them at all.

Now it seems to be the reverse of that where the expectation is that of a self-service restaurant where the students only pick some additional bits of information which won't make them feel uncomfortable at all. And feeling uncomfortable is now labeled as feeling unsafe.

Laladybird · 07/04/2023 19:04

Lots of comments that these teenagers & youngsters are mad. Well yes, but where are the adults? Is the university going to expel them? Probably not as they are fee paying customers.

bellinisurge · 07/04/2023 18:59

There need to be serious legal consequences for those that did it and those that facilitated it. The stupid scrotes are all on film. I hope she sues their arses.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 07/04/2023 18:24

I think there is a lot of learned behaviour from Antifa. It is a movement characterised by the acceptance of violence and organised violent protests.

Antifa gained popularity around 2017 and has caused a lot of civil unrest around Portland and across cities in the USA. Activists are drawn from Universities and Leftist movements and there is a lot of cross over with the TRA movement and the form of violent protest was copied from Antifa.

This rally in March celebrating detransitioners was violently protested by Antifa members and some journalists were injured.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/detransitioning-rally-turns-violent-antifa-shows-up-participants-left-afraid-speak-out-organizer.amp

Detransitioning rally turns violent when Antifa shows up, participants left 'afraid' to speak out: organizer | Fox News

The organizer of a rally in Sacramento, California, last week in support of gender detransitioners said the media emphasis on nearby Antifa violence distracted from the purpose of her event.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/detransitioning-rally-turns-violent-antifa-shows-up-participants-left-afraid-speak-out-organizer.amp

nepeta · 07/04/2023 18:24

Brefugee · 07/04/2023 18:09

The university should be fined for putting her in danger.
Agree that this is the result of #NoDebate and all academic institutions, in particular, should be having a long hard look at themselves.

I am baffled by "trans rights are human rights" because "women's rights are human rights" so... we all have human rights. What next?

Some things the most fervent trans activists demand would be privileges if demanded by other groups. I have seen it argued that nonbinary people (who might have changed nothing in their behaviour or appearance) should have the right to pick any toilet they wish and any sex category in sports they wish, should have the right to be treated as women when it benefits them and not to be treated as women when it benefits them.

This means that some women and some men have extra rights based on something we cannot ascertain from outside.

Brefugee · 07/04/2023 18:09

The university should be fined for putting her in danger.
Agree that this is the result of #NoDebate and all academic institutions, in particular, should be having a long hard look at themselves.

I am baffled by "trans rights are human rights" because "women's rights are human rights" so... we all have human rights. What next?

nepeta · 07/04/2023 18:07

This is the active form that #nodebate takes. I don't find it a random coincidence that in so many trans protests one of the shouts is "Go home".

Deep behind all this is the desire to put women back into their homes and the desire to shut women up.

The university should be ashamed for letting this to happen to Riley. I hope she was not seriously hurt in the beating.

Brefugee · 07/04/2023 18:02

how did it all end? last i read they were demanding money to let her out?
Sounds like the FBI should have been called in

Guarentinaflo · 07/04/2023 18:00

I hope she sues the students who held her captive and the university for failing to keep her safe.

KohlaParasaurus · 07/04/2023 16:41

Riley Gaines is a lioness. I hope she is being well supported in real life.

I'm looking at these hostile women and thinking of a couple of middle aged mothers of "gentle, vulnerable" adolescent transwomen who used to be my friends. Having gone "in for a penny, in for a pound" and bought into the full rainbow, they have become those MRA foot soldiers. I no longer know them. I wonder if I ever really did.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 16:13

Glinner, Harry Miller and Co aren't the men he is speaking about, Keir Starmer types are unreliable drips.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1644336499083673601?cxt=HHwWgoC88a7V7dEtAAAA

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1644336499083673601?cxt=HHwWgoC88a7V7dEtAAAA

Boiledbeetle · 07/04/2023 15:27

Fluffymule · 07/04/2023 14:47

' Whereas the city councils and universities seem to be encouraging these violent sexist thugs. The attitude of the police is most odd. Perhaps they see it as feminists getting their comeuppance? '

I do think there is an element of this.

I see it on social media constantly, men who comment that 'feminists caused this', 'this was the society you wanted', 'this is what you get for hating men'. Really gleeful stuff dripping with misogyny and ignorance of the feminist movement over time.

And we all know that misogyny is pretty much a feature rather than a bug in the Police at this point.

This is the problem! Some people think being a feminist means you hate men. Some feminists probably do. The rest of us are just fighting for bloody parity! Not the complete annihilation of men being classed as a separate sex!

The punishment is not fitting the crime here!

Musomama1 · 07/04/2023 15:21

This is why we must have biological sex clarified in the Equality Act.

Women will no longer be a risk of violence for speaking out when speaking out no longer becomes necessary.

Tabasco007 · 07/04/2023 15:08

I saw this earlier, what has happened to people to think that this sort of response for a women standing up for single sex sport is in anyway justified. The women there screaming and shouting, are happily, well angrily, giving away there own rights. I just don't know what's happening to society and what this whole movement wants the end game to be; an unrecognizable society where women don't leave their homes, and none can speak the truth anymore.... deeply deeply concerning.

agent765 · 07/04/2023 15:04

This is why a lot of women I know won't speak out. This mob behaviour is terrifying. I don't know whether to feel disgusted or disheartened at the women in the mob. I just hope that one day they grow up and see the light soon.

Riley is a brave young woman.

Sunnava · 07/04/2023 15:04

^misogyny*

Sunnava · 07/04/2023 15:03

Absolutely horrifying, disgusting, Cultural Revolution energy. Sadly, that is not hyperbole. :(

I never thought I would be living through a period of such extreme, enacted misogyn but here I am and here we are.

Fluffymule · 07/04/2023 14:47

' Whereas the city councils and universities seem to be encouraging these violent sexist thugs. The attitude of the police is most odd. Perhaps they see it as feminists getting their comeuppance? '

I do think there is an element of this.

I see it on social media constantly, men who comment that 'feminists caused this', 'this was the society you wanted', 'this is what you get for hating men'. Really gleeful stuff dripping with misogyny and ignorance of the feminist movement over time.

And we all know that misogyny is pretty much a feature rather than a bug in the Police at this point.

namitynamechange · 07/04/2023 14:41

While generally men are more likely to commit violent crime than women I think in an angry mob those differences count for less - people are acting as a group rather than individuals. In fact maybe "mob-gender" is the one actual gender that makes sense.

briancormorant · 07/04/2023 14:35

The vocal women in these organisations validate the men by merely being there.

The men see true women and think it must be right.