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Young adults who identify as asexual feel excluded from the wider LGBTQ community

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IwantToRetire · 07/04/2023 01:03

From a survey of 3,695 young adults aged 18-25 27% said they “rarely or never” feel a part of the LGBTQ community. Aside from those who said they were questioning their sexual or gender identity, asexual people were most likely to say this.

18% said they “rarely” felt included and 9% said they “never” felt included.

30% of asexual young adults said they “always” feel included and 30% said they “sometimes” feel included.

39% of asexual people of colour said they rarely or never felt part of the LGBT+ community, compared to 24% of white asexual young people.

It’s also estimated that between 0.44-1 percent (295,768 to 672,200) of the UK population identifies as asexual.

The data paints a disappointing picture that suggests a significant portion of young adults identifying as asexual don’t always feel like they’re a part of the LGBTQ community.

“I hope that this research makes clear the need for greater awareness of the lived experiences and realities of asexual people, especially as we can see a wider pattern here of LGBT+ people of colour feeling excluded from our community.”

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/a-quarter-of-asexual-young-adults-feel-excluded-from-lgbtq-community-430087/

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Ameadowwalk · 08/04/2023 18:22

FrostyFifi · 08/04/2023 17:22

My DD is asexual. I don’t know if she feels excluded from the LGBT+ community because I have never asked this question

I don't understand why she'd be included though. If she's not interested in women and she's not trans then that's not her group.
(Not that I think T should be with LG in the first place but that's not the subject of the thread).

It was the question quoted in the OP, this is the only reason I mentioned it. I don’t have a view on whether she should be included or not. It’s not up to me - nor many of the posters on this thread, I think, who are just using it as an excuse to make negative comments.

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 18:21

Schools do teach reproduction and have relationships education
So what? Why should that have to be qualified with an Of course, a lack of interest in this is ok?

Ameadowwalk · 08/04/2023 18:18

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 17:47

She has said, however, that she would have felt more normal growing up if it had been acknowledged in sex and relationships education that not everyone experiences sexual attraction and that asexuality exists.

Why should it be the school's role to discuss private matters like sexual attraction. Surely it's more appropriate to discuss any such feelings privately with your partner or possibly family?!

Schools do teach reproduction and have relationships education, so you could say that about any such lesson. If it is going to be taught, then it should be clear that there is heterosexuality, homosexuality and asexuality - in an age appropriate way of course. My DD got taught how to put a condom on a banana - why should that be taught in a school? What assumptions are being made there?

Ameadowwalk · 08/04/2023 18:16

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 16:40

Why couldn't you have explained it to her?

Because it was not on my radar, it was never explained to me. That’s my point. Sex and relationships education assumes that people are sexual. Our culture assumes that people are sexual.

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 17:50

Too many people don't seem to accept that others can be different and they prefer that people keep quiet about their difference.

People can be as different as they like. They can enjoy singing, sex with whom ever, whatever.

Other people do not care though.

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 17:47

She has said, however, that she would have felt more normal growing up if it had been acknowledged in sex and relationships education that not everyone experiences sexual attraction and that asexuality exists.

Why should it be the school's role to discuss private matters like sexual attraction. Surely it's more appropriate to discuss any such feelings privately with your partner or possibly family?!

FrostyFifi · 08/04/2023 17:22

My DD is asexual. I don’t know if she feels excluded from the LGBT+ community because I have never asked this question

I don't understand why she'd be included though. If she's not interested in women and she's not trans then that's not her group.
(Not that I think T should be with LG in the first place but that's not the subject of the thread).

Tinysoxx · 08/04/2023 16:40

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 15:47

What did any of it mean in practice, besides everyone being desperate to be different and special?

It meant that the girls were trying to avoid the boys and most weren’t ready for relationships as the ‘lads’ culture meant anyone in a girl-boy relationship was teased relentlessly. Also meant that you could announce an identity on Instagram/Snapchat and everyone would gush at you for 5 minutes. By sixth form it had all settled down and the ‘united waving flag colours of identity’ were a small vocal group most people avoided but were kind to. The gay pupils mostly avoided that group too. It made me laugh (inwardly) the other day that one of the vocal group was talking about her year 8 sister’s he/him pronouns and rolling their eyes saying how silly it was. I nearly said what are your pronouns now then but we got onto a good conversation about women in STEM instead.

This is why ultimately the gender ideology wave will crash in on itself as the demographic that have been badly affected can see it for what it is.

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 16:40

Ameadowwalk · 08/04/2023 16:38

My DD is asexual. I don’t know if she feels excluded from the LGBT+ community because I have never asked this question. She has said, however, that she would have felt more normal growing up if it had been acknowledged in sex and relationships education that not everyone experiences sexual attraction and that asexuality exists. It’s not the same as being single or not wanting a relationship (I have been single for ten years, I am not asexual). It’s surely possibly to recognise that point without all the negative comments.

Why couldn't you have explained it to her?

Ameadowwalk · 08/04/2023 16:38

My DD is asexual. I don’t know if she feels excluded from the LGBT+ community because I have never asked this question. She has said, however, that she would have felt more normal growing up if it had been acknowledged in sex and relationships education that not everyone experiences sexual attraction and that asexuality exists. It’s not the same as being single or not wanting a relationship (I have been single for ten years, I am not asexual). It’s surely possibly to recognise that point without all the negative comments.

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 16:24

MagpiePi · 08/04/2023 16:20

Too many people don't seem to accept that others can be different and they prefer that people keep quiet about their difference.

Too many people don't seem to accept that others are just not that interesed in their differences.

That's the essence of it.
"I demand you accept my differences".
"Yeah, sure, it's all fine, I'm not that interested either way".

"How fucking dare you suggest my differences don't make me extra interesting and SPECIAL!!"

MagpiePi · 08/04/2023 16:20

Too many people don't seem to accept that others can be different and they prefer that people keep quiet about their difference.

Too many people don't seem to accept that others are just not that interesed in their differences.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 08/04/2023 15:56

FrancescaContini · 08/04/2023 15:51

I suspect that in year 9 (ages 13-14) there are probably some children who haven’t yet started experiencing sexual feelings so how can they know that they’re asexual or whatever?

I feel so sorry for teenagers growing up in today’s world of labels and identities.

If you’d asked me at that age I would’ve said lesbian because I had a massive crush on the female maxillofacial surgeon who rebuilt my jaw and replanted my teeth after a childhood accident.

A year or 2 later, I definitely fancied boys 🤷‍♀️

FrancescaContini · 08/04/2023 15:56

Is this because some people like to play the victim for not being included?

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 15:54

Is this like being vegetarian but wanting to be part of a food appreciation society for carnivores?

Ha ha, true. If someone has no interest in sex, why would they want to be part of a sex based community Confused?

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 15:52

FrancescaContini · 08/04/2023 15:48

Is this like being vegetarian but wanting to be part of a food appreciation society for carnivores?

Yes, pretty much. Some people can't be left out of anything, even things they don't actually want to be a part of 🤷🏻‍♀️

FrancescaContini · 08/04/2023 15:51

Tinysoxx · 08/04/2023 15:45

Going back to the original question, I think there may have been a moment in Year 9 where my daughter was the only girl who was not panasexual/asexual/bi/gender-fluid. She was a minority.

I suspect that in year 9 (ages 13-14) there are probably some children who haven’t yet started experiencing sexual feelings so how can they know that they’re asexual or whatever?

I feel so sorry for teenagers growing up in today’s world of labels and identities.

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 15:51

Tinysoxx · 08/04/2023 15:45

Going back to the original question, I think there may have been a moment in Year 9 where my daughter was the only girl who was not panasexual/asexual/bi/gender-fluid. She was a minority.

Why are your sexual fantasies even discussed in public/school? What an odd topic to talk about...?!

FrancescaContini · 08/04/2023 15:48

Is this like being vegetarian but wanting to be part of a food appreciation society for carnivores?

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 15:47

Tinysoxx · 08/04/2023 15:45

Going back to the original question, I think there may have been a moment in Year 9 where my daughter was the only girl who was not panasexual/asexual/bi/gender-fluid. She was a minority.

What did any of it mean in practice, besides everyone being desperate to be different and special?

Tinysoxx · 08/04/2023 15:45

Going back to the original question, I think there may have been a moment in Year 9 where my daughter was the only girl who was not panasexual/asexual/bi/gender-fluid. She was a minority.

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 15:41

Exactly. Who cares whether someone enjoys sex or with whom they enjoy sex...?! Why define yourself that way??

Claridges12 · 08/04/2023 15:23

I hate the constant emphasis on sex, and I suspect that people who are not interested in having sex really don't want to be spending lots of their time (in real life or online) with a group of people who are obsessed with sex, and often kinky sex. There is no reason to define people this way. I'm really not interested in football. That's why I don't join spend my time with people who spend their lives watching, playing and discussing it. I also don't define myself as a "doesn't like football person".

EmpressaurusOfCats · 08/04/2023 15:12

NotHavingIt · 08/04/2023 14:58

The"LGBTQ+ community" doesn't exist except as a manufactured product of queer theory.

The Q+ is a big catch-all term and the only people who are excluded are the ones who believe in sex over gender.

Bienemajas · 08/04/2023 14:59

Why do people need more and more obscure 'communities'?!