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65 year old man breaks into daycare center.

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HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 14:46

Drinks baby formula, steals nappies and leaves a note and money asking of Staff will play along with his delusions and treat him as a little girl named 'Baby Danielle'

What makes me sick is that he went through the dirty nappy bin.

As a parent that would turn my stomach.

He did this TWICE.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-accused-entering-day-care-expressing-desire-be-baby-girl/A6ZD5ZRSS5GKBDPXZGNCZISQ3U/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook

Man accused of entering day care, expressing desire to be baby girl

Daniel Seeler allegedly left notes and cash at the day care center.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-accused-entering-day-care-expressing-desire-be-baby-girl/A6ZD5ZRSS5GKBDPXZGNCZISQ3U

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DarkDayforMN · 07/04/2023 13:12

So I got deleted for pointing out that men who steal fetish trophies often escalate and they are often targeting particular people, and not being concerned about your small daughter’s soiled underwear being targeted by a man who steals fetish trophies is… ?????.

( I’ve made the language milquetoast af to avoid getting deleted again. I think it’s an important point and needs saying.)

DarkDayforMN · 07/04/2023 13:04

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Florissant · 07/04/2023 12:54

Sodd · 06/04/2023 18:52

Me too.

Add me to the list of people who have gone off Perry. I never liked him but now I loathe him.

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 12:51

HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 12:23

"I don't think they see a child's nappy as items of sexual intent at all. I think they must just see the contents as something to facilitate their fetish"

fetish
/ˈfɛtɪʃ/

noun

  1. 1.
  2. a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs.

To fetishise something literally meansntonsexualise. It.

You've just shot yourself in the foot with your own definition.

@HolyShmoakes

No I haven't. They aren't using the nappy itself 'to get off'

they're using the poo 🤢 to fill their nappy to have it changed that's the fetish. (Not the child's nappy)

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 12:48

HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 12:21

So if this man, dressed as a female baby stole your child's dirty underwear, to put on, that wouldn't bother you?

@HolyShmoakes

But that's not what happened, so why make something up. We're talking about soiled disposable nappies out of the bin. I don't think taking rubbish out of a bin as 'stealing' in any case.

but if my daughters soiled pants were in the bin no it wouldn't bother me if someone took them out and used them.

Bin: Rubbish, no longer wanted.
Grown man: not able to wear toddlers knickers

HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 12:23

"I don't think they see a child's nappy as items of sexual intent at all. I think they must just see the contents as something to facilitate their fetish"

fetish
/ˈfɛtɪʃ/

noun

  1. 1.
  2. a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs.

To fetishise something literally meansntonsexualise. It.

You've just shot yourself in the foot with your own definition.

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HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 12:21

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 12:00

@HolyShmoakes

No I wouldn't. I get 'attached/sentimental' over pretty much everything, but soiled disposable nappies, even I can't get fussed about. It's a used nappy. It makes no difference to me if someone finds a use for it.

As I said, I think it's disturbing from the 'blokes' point of view, that he wants to do this, but from a parent point of view, no it doesn't 'upset' me.

I don't think they see a child's nappy as items of sexual intent at all. I think they must just see the contents as something to facilitate their fetish (having their nappy changed, to me it's no different than buying formula.

buying the formula isn't disturbing or sexual.

they need some serious mental health help though.

So if this man, dressed as a female baby stole your child's dirty underwear, to put on, that wouldn't bother you?

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SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 12:00

HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 10:10

As a mother you wouldn't find it upsetting they your child's soiled nappy was stolen by a pervert to use in his own sick fetishes?
It's upsetting to know grown men see children's nappies as items of sexual intent.

@HolyShmoakes

No I wouldn't. I get 'attached/sentimental' over pretty much everything, but soiled disposable nappies, even I can't get fussed about. It's a used nappy. It makes no difference to me if someone finds a use for it.

As I said, I think it's disturbing from the 'blokes' point of view, that he wants to do this, but from a parent point of view, no it doesn't 'upset' me.

I don't think they see a child's nappy as items of sexual intent at all. I think they must just see the contents as something to facilitate their fetish (having their nappy changed, to me it's no different than buying formula.

buying the formula isn't disturbing or sexual.

they need some serious mental health help though.

HolyShmoakes · 07/04/2023 10:10

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 01:34

@HolyShmoakes yeah,silly me, i just assumed they soiled/peed the nappies themselves.

which angle do you find upsetting?

I find it bloody bizarre, downright weird, but not upsetting.

@EpicChaos I agree, a bit of room decoration & a night new jacket are perfect!!

As a mother you wouldn't find it upsetting they your child's soiled nappy was stolen by a pervert to use in his own sick fetishes?
It's upsetting to know grown men see children's nappies as items of sexual intent.

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Naunet · 07/04/2023 09:54

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:31

I'm very confused,

What does this have to do with trans people???

That fact that he’s trans…

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 01:44

@GailBlancheViola

everyone is who or what they say they are, a number of whom are trans. Everything is acceptable, nothing is off limits

I think I might give being a llama a go! A male llama

SpringHasSprung23 · 07/04/2023 01:34

@HolyShmoakes yeah,silly me, i just assumed they soiled/peed the nappies themselves.

which angle do you find upsetting?

I find it bloody bizarre, downright weird, but not upsetting.

@EpicChaos I agree, a bit of room decoration & a night new jacket are perfect!!

nauticant · 06/04/2023 23:23

I associate stuff like this with Rule 34:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_34

SidewaysOtter · 06/04/2023 23:05

HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 22:45

The same way transwomen have posted about taking dirty pads out of female toilet bins to put in their own underwear to feel authentic with real menstrual blood.

I was eating a Malteaser just as I read that. I’ve gone right off me chocolate now <boaks>

In the words of Rachel Green, “You think you’ve reached rock bottom, then there’s 50 feet of crap”.

HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 22:45

The same way transwomen have posted about taking dirty pads out of female toilet bins to put in their own underwear to feel authentic with real menstrual blood.

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HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 22:43

SpringHasSprung23 · 06/04/2023 21:44

Sorry that was incredibly badly worded!!

i do realise they're two different people 😂😂

the 'baby' bloke, I mean this has been a fetish for years, but the breaking into a nursery & asking regular staff to look after it is beyond help.

but I'm mainly curious why he went through the nappy bin ??

Greyson is just an attention seeking gut, at least with the penis being black there was no confusion if it was real or not.

I assume he has a fetish for soiled nappies. Having nappies changed seems to be a big theme for them.

He presumably got off to having a real dirty nappy from a child.

Hard to fathom and very upsetting.

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EpicChaos · 06/04/2023 22:05

@SpringHasSprung23 Yeah, it's an absolute snip at £375. :-/ smh!
Who on earth prices those things? How anyone could think someone would even want to buy it at all, never mind for that amount, is beyond me. I wouldn't give it houseroom either, quite frankly it just wants burning!

As for the other bloke, a nice padded rubber room and a nice new jacket, would probably serve him best. I wouldn't even like to hazard a guess at why he'd want to go through a nappy bin, coprophilia maybe?

SpringHasSprung23 · 06/04/2023 21:44

SpringHasSprung23 · 06/04/2023 21:39

@EpicChaos at a mere £375. Why on Earth not??

😂😂😂I wouldn't give it house room if it was free!

@HolyShmoakes why did he go through the bin? (Sorry if it says in the 'article' but I don't want to click on it!

I presume it was an adults only event at least??

Sorry that was incredibly badly worded!!

i do realise they're two different people 😂😂

the 'baby' bloke, I mean this has been a fetish for years, but the breaking into a nursery & asking regular staff to look after it is beyond help.

but I'm mainly curious why he went through the nappy bin ??

Greyson is just an attention seeking gut, at least with the penis being black there was no confusion if it was real or not.

SpringHasSprung23 · 06/04/2023 21:39

EpicChaos · 06/04/2023 18:02

Why didn't Mr Seeler just get his mam to write him a little shopping list, tuck some pennies in the note, shove that in one of his mittens and send him to the shop? It would have saved an awful lot of bother and upset for the nursery!

As for Greyson Perry, what do people expect? The pretentious amongst the middle class have spent decades encouraging him.
Anyone with an 'apeth of gumption seeing him turn up like that, would have told him to eff off home and get changed into something more suitable.
And no, Getty images, i do not wish to purchase that picture!

@EpicChaos at a mere £375. Why on Earth not??

😂😂😂I wouldn't give it house room if it was free!

@HolyShmoakes why did he go through the bin? (Sorry if it says in the 'article' but I don't want to click on it!

I presume it was an adults only event at least??

Noicant · 06/04/2023 21:33

nauticant · 06/04/2023 16:17

Yeah. The shame was the whole fucking point tho. Shame is the kink for many, just ask Grayson Perry.

Perry has been involved for a long time helping kink be inserted into places where it most certainly shouldn't be present, such as a charitable event on behalf of children with cancer (this is is NSFW image):

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/artist-grayson-perry-arrives-at-the-childrens-cancer-news-photo/73686429

WTAF

Thesharkradar · 06/04/2023 21:30

Mollymalone123 · 06/04/2023 18:06

I can’t believe Grayson Perry actually wore that to event? Gone completely off of him now

I always thought he was a pretentious git!
Have ordered sample of the new book from Sheila Jefferies🙏

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:27

Fluffymule · 06/04/2023 18:00

I've never seen that photo before either.

Grayson Perry can dress however he likes, no issue with that obviously. However the addition of a solid protruding phallus object, particularly coupled with the cartoonish make-up is unsettling.

I think my objection is that if encountering him like that I am exposed to it without consent - almost like being flashed at, if that makes sense?

The fear being, my lack of consent, self-suppression of my response, and socially pressured accommodation of his fetish, is a power play on his part. He is using people who encounter him like that to fuel his gratification.

That is the crux of so many parts of the queer ideology and critical theory in practice: that someone from the 'vulnerable' group is entitled to use others as non consenting props in their self view and fulfilment, and this extends to in many cases including their sexual activities.

There is little difference between male people raiding sanitary bins to put still warm tampons up their bum, and male people raiding nurseries for dirty nappies.

If we sympathise with a male person who would like others to view them as a woman and undress and share a shower with them as if they were a woman - with any woman not sharing the perception that they are a woman or expressing boundaries and concerns with this being a 'bigot' and committing a hate crime, what is the difference with a person who would like others to view them as a preschooler and permit them to attend a preschool with - oh lord what word to choose - 'cis' children?? and for staff to provide the same care including feeding and nappy changes?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 06/04/2023 21:27

LizzieSiddal · 06/04/2023 17:44

I can’t believe that Grayson Perry photo!! What the fuck. I’ve totally and utterly gone off him. I wonder if anyone at that event said anything to him?!

I never liked him
I always saw him for what he is
Hiding in plain sight

Fluffymule · 06/04/2023 21:08

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2023 20:55

I'm not imaging it am I? The rate at which these things are happening it's escalating isn't it?

I think the other side of this is that there is more reporting of it now too.

Media have seen the engagement they get from such reporting and will have the analytics that drive their story focus - for example rise in subscriptions and traffic for papers like The Times or magazines like The Spectator when they began prioritising column inches in this area and brought on-board new writers, often moving from competing papers.

These stories are now being told, whereas before I suspect they were suppressed or ignored.

raspberrywine · 06/04/2023 20:59

Boiled. No you're not imagining it. It's ratcheting up, for sure. It's like they want to get all the depravity out there as fast as possible.