Interview with Dr Mrs Debbie Hayton

Brilliant!

I attended a meeting where DH spoke on the trans issue.
Was likeable and got a laugh for a slide that showed ‘transwomen are women ‘ as repeated computer code.
They were accompanied with women from their workplace who enthused about how nice DH is and how DH didn’t push in and they asked DH to join their groups etc, was slightly fangirly and uncomfortable.

An audience member stood and asked DH to choose a different label as woman was taken, got very frosty and DH fan girl group were not happy.
DH used the women’s toilet at this event.

I know DH used to post on here a lot so they may be along shortly.
I find DH perplexing.
Gives lip service to biological reality but still takes what DH wants.
I think we are so used to the Frida’s we fall over ourselves for the DH’s.

Gotta love Freda saying the debate on What Is A Woman? has become ridiculous. Whilst ridiculously criticising women.

But of course the most ridiculous thing is that a debate on women is being debated by two men.

It's like Monty Python mated with Little Britain to produce this, um, unexpected offspring.

As the first video shows they seem to hate each other a lot of the time too.

Im not sure what was in Freydas mug but it didn’t look pleasant from the expression on his face after he drank from it.

...so? This doesn't make any of the behaviour honourable or less damaging to women and children on the whole. DH isn't on our side. DH is on DH's side, and when women laud DH's behaviour, DH gets off on it.

Nah. That's the spin. In order to make a living, so I don't really blame him

Debbie told his wife that if she was unhappy he would leave. She said she was unhappy and he refused to leave.

The toll on his family is generated by him.

This is so often seen in the attitude towards middle aged women and the awful ageism. They're too old to be fuckable: wtf is the point of them? Particularly if they're not doing anything else useful to men.

The fixed belief of 'terra nullis' - that anything NOT being useful to and serving the interests of biological males is pointless and brownfield ground in need of commandeering and turning into something useful - is part of so much of this ideology. Women's spaces, resources, facilities, lesbians...

Someone wrote that a certain percentage of transitioning men (not all by any means) see women as competition for the woman they identify with (and adore) inside themselves. Perhaps as romantic competition, perhaps as sexual competition, perhaps as competition about who is the most beautiful or who 'womans' best (makeup use, heels, dresses).

Those individuals are not going to care about women's rights or feminism. They don't identify with women, only as women, and several express open anger, hatred and jealousy at what they call 'cis' women.

As an aside, I have read several young detransitioning men state that they transitioned because they wanted to be beautiful women.

Not because they wanted to be women, but beautiful women.

When I saw that, I realised that there are some transwomen and male trans activists who are not trans themselves who seem to think in those terms, i.e., what a woman is and how much woman someone is should be defined by how appealing that person is to men.

So you could lose your right to be called a woman if they regard you ugly.

DH is driven by self confessed sexual proclivities just as much as any other AGP. And anyone who welcomes that point of view into feminist spaces is playing right into the game, as well as pushing DH's wife right out.

DH is clear that they are AGP, and has been clear that there has been a great toll on their family. There seems to be less pretence around their transition and no expectation that anyone else should think they are literally a woman.

Only about a year ago even murmuring that TW are not really W caused trouble even on mumsnet.

S/he is not but I have time for Hayton.

Not afraid to go against the grain and she must get as much abuse from TRAs as the likes of stock and joyce, more so for being perceived as a traitor.

I had a friend from Birmingham who insisted that all women from the Black Country had a "face like a bag of spanners". I used to think he was making it up. Maybe he was just stretching the truth.

Given the Fail’s recent stance in articles, I think they’d have called out any transwomen among the offending 8, assuming they had those facts to hand.

From their mugshots I’d assumed all were natal female, even if some amongst them appear to have more ‘masculine’ features than the others. Police mugshots aren’t known for flattering.

I had not heard of Freda before today. Seems like they have been doing the rounds.

Are they actually all women? Some look very male…

I’d forgotten about that. It was hilarious.

Hayton using the title Dr really wound up Wallace! It's a good gender neutral title but the goth horror that is Wallace insisted it must be Mr or Mrs.

All the enbies in Manchester disappeared in a puff of smoke in that moment!

Haha!!

Remember that mansplainer on here describing techie stuff to the techie women, who thanked him profusely, because up until then they'd been using their tits to type on the keyboard.

Maybe that's where Hayton gets his misinformation <taps nose>.

If we are setting the bar for good AGP’s as ‘they understand biological reality’, we are fecking doomed!

Frida "the Cis women in my life have no problem..." Well given Frida think dissenters deserve to be attacked and doused in soup that's not really surprising is it

I think the West will figure it out eventually. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think while democracy/free speech/tolerance of diversity (including viewpoints) are under threat at the moment they'll win out in the end. If anything this whole shambles serves as an advert for why they are so important.

There was quite a long conversation with him on here where he seemed very surprised that the size of a woman's breasts did not indicate her social standing amongst peers. The larger they were, apparently, the higher up the hierarchy she went.

And there was I thinking that women only respected you for your FFs Datun. Do you mean to say it’s your coherent posts and analytical brain? Say what?!

Also FFS! Cannot understand how these men are taken seriously.

Frida looks in the mirror every opportunity he can. And every time sees a woman better than any he sees in the real world.

Historians will look back at this period and see a civilisation lose its collective sanity. Let's hope we change course and chart a new future.

I'd hate the West to become past tense.

Frida saying KJK is ridiculous! Look in the mirror Frida!

AGPs? Well, even a broken clock tells the time correctly on rare occasions.

I still wouldn't want to rely on that clock.