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Tabasco007 · 06/04/2023 22:07

TheSingingBean · 06/04/2023 00:37

What a deeply unpleasant individual Frida is.

His, isn't he!

BiologicalKitty · 06/04/2023 21:58

Whenever Hayton talks about his AGP he minimises it and this is his sole reason for admitting to it.

Also, this bears repeating. Over and over.

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:57

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:54

Hayton has been repeatedly asked to propose they are revised to give women back some rights and never ever responds.

Which in essence matches the protests about the clarifying of the meaning of the word 'sex' in the Equality Act.

Returning control of female boundaries to female people is a very unwanted outcome for some male people for a range of reasons. Almost all of which intersect.

BiologicalKitty · 06/04/2023 21:57

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

This actually happens in family courts, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see it here with other types of abuse.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 21:55

If he has changed his mind he should say so clearly, and apologise.

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:54

namitynamechange · 06/04/2023 08:33

@AlisonDonut It might be that he changed his mind on that. That being the case its probably a good thing and Ive changed my mind on lots. Even if he is a complete hypocrite though its still interesting watching other transwomen trying to argue with them about why he is wrong/less of a woman than they are. Because all they have is "I'm a woman because I use female spaces"; "I'm a woman because other people have been blackmailed to say I am a woman") etc etc.

Hayton has been repeatedly asked to propose they are revised to give women back some rights and never ever responds.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 21:46

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 21:04

OK, I have been listening about what some posters are saying here about D.H. I did not know about their thinking they should be in a women’s prison shower if they ever went to prison.

At least though they admitted the AGP which has actually meant being allowed to mention AGP on this board without being deleted when the mention is related to discussing her views.

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

How is admitting a damaging fetish praiseworthy when it's glaringly obvious anyway?

What other fetishes should we praise people for admitting to?

Whenever Hayton talks about his AGP he minimises it and this is his sole reason for admitting to it.

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:19

That. ^^

And when you read carefully and have read enough of these articles, from these few polite, articulate male people with TQ+ identities, you begin to notice that the desire is for them to have access to women in women's spaces but not other male people. They do not want to have to deal with those male people any more than women do, it's about an exclusive access.

And there is always inevitably, the head pat tone and action that tells you having listened very carefully to women's thoughts, they have reached their managerial decision, which is to inform women what they will permit and grant and accept. And it is no different to any other 'man here' poster on MN who has arrived to dispense wisdom to the mummies in tone or attitude: the male privilege is front and centre, along with the expectation of authority and service.

Oppression involves the oppressed group providing labour. And labour is always part of the requirement. However nice the requirer sounds.

Datun · 06/04/2023 21:13

Aside from being a self confessed AGP, recycling women's words to make a second career in journalism

That's the other thing. Hayton does not have a single, solitary original thought. Everything penned by him has been said by a woman first.

It's amazing how many times I've seen an article by him, where I've been thinking fuck me, I've just read that by so and so.

There are quite a few educated AGPs who will, very articulately, make a case for why they, and only they, should have access to women spaces.

We see it on here all the time. I can't count the number of times I've listed all the different reasons why any individual male reeeelly needs access, over all the other males.

Personally, being honest about the reason being a fetish, as opposed to lying about it, isn't the most compelling argument as far as I'm concerned. .

RealityFan · 06/04/2023 21:11

Everytime someone asks who is a woman, just show them these two jokers, and say as far away from them as the furthest extent of the known universe. And then some more.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/04/2023 21:06

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:54

And that an unhealthy amount of time is spent thinking about being in the prison showers.

This sort of crass comment is really common amongst AGPs as they can't resist breaking boundaries.

And that the trigger boys had the image of a naked Debbie implanted in their minds and they just nodded because they know Debbie has “had the surgery” and therefore is no longer like a man. So I know that women are, to them, like, well, best not finish that sentence for fear of deletion but all the women know the words anyway

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 21:04

OK, I have been listening about what some posters are saying here about D.H. I did not know about their thinking they should be in a women’s prison shower if they ever went to prison.

At least though they admitted the AGP which has actually meant being allowed to mention AGP on this board without being deleted when the mention is related to discussing her views.

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:03

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:34

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

Can any of you imagine how offensive this is for a trans widow to read on a feminist board ?

I was going for a simple green emoji as my reaction and I’m not a trans widow

Offensive is mild, I’m guessing thats not quite what you’d like to say either if we were allowed to speak our minds in public

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:00

midgemadgemodge · 06/04/2023 07:48

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

I wish I was allowed to say how this sentence made me feel without fear of deletion or banishment. How have we reached the point where we are not allowed to speak our mind amongst ourselves anymore? we’re not forcing ourselves into other peoples discussions. The people who complain are not forced to come here and be offended by a woman speaking her mind. They can just ignore us.

Ironically I’m currently watching the handmaids tale where women's rights to speak were stripped away

Happylittlechicken · 06/04/2023 20:57

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:34

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

Can any of you imagine how offensive this is for a trans widow to read on a feminist board ?

Was just thinking that.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:54

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/04/2023 20:52

Debbie Hayton told the triggernometry boys that Debbie couldn’t possibly go to a male prison if Debbie was convicted of a crime because the place Debbie passes best in is the shower. The trigger boys just nodded wirh their sympathetic face on. Debbie giggled a tinkly little laugh and now I know that the Hayton household has a high water bill.

And that an unhealthy amount of time is spent thinking about being in the prison showers.

This sort of crass comment is really common amongst AGPs as they can't resist breaking boundaries.

Hepwo · 06/04/2023 20:54

His title is Dr. It was Wallace shouting Dr Mrs or Dr Mr at him. Hayton stuck to Dr as that's his title.

Wallace got very annoyed at the failure to pick a side of the binary, an outrage which has caused the genocide of all gender fluids in the North West.

RealityFan · 06/04/2023 20:53

Maybe the way "feminists" like Ash Sarkar might have seen Peter Stringfellow (God rest his soul) as an ally by promoting the freedom of Sex Work to women?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/04/2023 20:52

Debbie Hayton told the triggernometry boys that Debbie couldn’t possibly go to a male prison if Debbie was convicted of a crime because the place Debbie passes best in is the shower. The trigger boys just nodded wirh their sympathetic face on. Debbie giggled a tinkly little laugh and now I know that the Hayton household has a high water bill.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:48

Aside from being a self confessed AGP, recycling women's words to make a second career in journalism, the NASUWT guidelines, the damage done to his wife and children, the at least occasional use of women's spaces, the thinking women judge each other by breast size, the constantly wanging on about prisons until it's fairly obvious you have some kind of sexy fantasy about it.

Aside from all that, I am amazed that people think Hayton is out for women and not for himself. He has been quite open about how he is trying to protect the rights of "transexuals" like him, who have made a "meaningful transition" as he realises that the self ID'ers will push people too far and result in the "transexuals" losing their previously privileged position.

Why in earth do women persist that he, or any AGP can ever be pro women?

If he's actually using the title "Dr Mrs Hayton", that's another low, since that title should belong to his wife, who also has a PhD.

FFS women.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2023 20:38

FriendofJoanne · 06/04/2023 16:53

Are they actually all women? Some look very male…

They are all natal women.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:34

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

Can any of you imagine how offensive this is for a trans widow to read on a feminist board ?

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:32

BiologicalKitty · 06/04/2023 15:16

Is AGP OK now, as long as the face is friendly enough?

Is it OK that DH's family is collateral damage because DH says some of the right things and takes selfies with the right people?

Has nobody on this thread seen the channel 4 special where his wife's desperation shows clearly on her face?

DH is driven by self confessed sexual proclivities just as much as any other AGP. And anyone who welcomes that point of view into feminist spaces is playing right into the game, as well as pushing DH's wife right out.

All of this ⬆️

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/04/2023 20:27

The thing which worries me about Freda watching Freda sneer as Freda complains about women is that Freda works with the ambulance service. I hope Freda is on transport and not paramedic ambulances as I am quite sure that Freda’s biases would influence the decisions Freda would make if the casualty was female wearing a terf t shirt.

RealityFan · 06/04/2023 20:14

TourmalineGiraffe · 06/04/2023 20:08

Brilliant!

TG, when I first got obsessed by Monty Python as a teen, I always knew part of its appeal was the disconcerting mood and surreal claustrophobia at its heart.

I loved every second, but also knew I never wanted to be trapped in Python World.

That was 1973. Five decades later, my fears came to pass.

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