Interview with Dr Mrs Debbie Hayton

Of course they do! My DS's chemistry teacher is Dr Carter. He calls her Miss most of the time.

He’s said that the kids call him ‘Dr Hayton’ but do any kids really never use Sir or Miss?

Astonishing isn't it.

Possibly, although in my head it was a bit more specific about getting his own way. Could be me filling in the gaps! Thank you though.

He says boundary violation gives him a kick.

A self confessed sexual fetishist, who refuses to rescind his 'call me Miss' schools guidance, displaying a fucked up view of women's breasts, still manages to get women to not only look favourably on him, but imagine that he is championing them! By, incidentally, more or less quoting their own words back to them.

Thank you for digging up that thread @EmpressaurusOfCats (though my pathetic attempts at getting a doc online are embarrassing!). He is very clear that the key part of his transition was getting his pupils to address him as Miss. His utter disdain for his wife also will never not be shocking to me.

He did talk in another interview (with Stella O'Malley I think) about the AGP stuff and the rush of wearing women's clothing outside for the first time. Didn't he call it something like pink euphoria or something? I don't remember exactly.

@MenopausalMe

You need to understand that you are being played.

this with fucking bells on

This x100
I cannot look at DH without thinking of the trans widow's sad face in that documentary.

‘I am a little bit contrary and when people tell me, when people start objecting I then think well, okay, let's you know, let's push a bit harder and see what happens.’ Is that what you were thinking of, @Datun?

Do you remember, @EmpressaurusOfCats, him also saying something like he always gets his own way. Or he likes manipulating in order to get his own way?

I’ve just been digging around & found that @Clymene wrote a transcript of an interview with the Haytons. He doesn’t mention the AGP at all in that, I imagine it would have gone very differently if he did.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4053058-Debbie-and-Stephanie-Hayton-interview-transcript?postsby=Clymene

Not just played, but pulled into a sexual fetish. Acting like the AGP "voice of reason" is part of the fetish! Pushing boundaries and telling you while doing so isn't something to be admired!

@Cherryblossoms85 women on this thread and others have said and explained everything DH has ever said, without forced teaming and other abuser tactics that DH deploys. Without forcing children to deny reality. Without rewriting policies that undermine safeguarding. Without abusing family members. DH doesn't deserve the fawning that DH receives, especially here.

Yep. He helped to create this mess.

For anyone calling men "she", please read pronouns are rohypnol.

Link below:
fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

I enjoy Debbie's writing in the Spectator. Didn't know about the school guidance, but in general she seems in possession of her faculties and yes, pretty much alone in clearly explaining what AGP is, and why it matters so much to the debate.

You need to understand that you are being played.

this with fucking bells on

I did not come on your Trans widows thread to tell you my thoughts, but was responding with my own views to that video chat with Frida.

You implied that because you were not posting on the trans widows thread, I shouldn't assume you were referring to me, whilst quoting my post!

What Hayton wants is for women to be grateful that he is bravely speaking about his fetish.

You need to understand that you are being played.

^You quoted my words in your previous post.*

Yes. Those words I quoted were questions you asked me,
which I answered.

I did not take them to be rhetorical.

You quoted my words in your previous post.

I think this was the thread with the conversation about boob size:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4303993-posie-parker-s-latest-glasgow?flipped=1&page=7

Tinsel Angel I am not trying to explain to you why you should be grateful. I am explaining why I am, as an ordinary member of the public who only heard of all this fairly recently.

I did not come on your Trans widows thread to tell you my thoughts, but was responding with my own views to that video chat with Frida.

*Hayton has

That's right! I'd forgotten. Do you remember, @EmpressaurusOfCats, him also saying something like he always gets his own way. Or he likes manipulating in order to get his own way?

I mean, I know he does, but have I imagined that he actually said so?

If I had to concede to a skill that Hayton house, it's saying the most outrageous stuff, but making it sound normal.

AGP may well be obvious to some people, but many others had/have never heard of it and think that transwomen have felt they were not the sex they were born with, that they felt desperate to get out of their bodies from a young age, and that they had then gone to extreme lengths to modify themselves - but not had the slightest inkling that it these men’s desire to be a woman may in fact be a middle aged man’s sexual fetish.

How does this square with Hayton's claim that his AGP
started in childhood, when he heard the word "tights" and thought it sounded like "eight". (Yes I know it doesn't make sense).

He is trying to push the narrative not of "born in the wrong body" but of "born with a fetish".

And please don't try and explain to a trans widow why I should supposedly be grateful to an AGP for my freedom of speech. I spoke to a feminist conference last weekend about the many ways by which trans widows are silenced, and women putting our exes before us was foremost in the reasons I gave.

It is the brave trans widows on this board who have shed light on AGP. Not men like our perpetrators.

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

No, it is not a question of them being worthy of thanks….

How is admitting a damaging fetish praiseworthy when it's glaringly obvious anyway?

or praise.

AGP may well be obvious to some people, but many others had/have never heard of it and think that transwomen have felt they were not the sex they were born with, that they felt desperate to get out of their bodies from a young age, and that they had then gone to extreme lengths to modify themselves - but not had the slightest inkling that it these men’s desire to be a woman may in fact be a middle aged man’s sexual fetish.

Not only that, but even mentioning that some transwomen are AGP has been taboo, including on this board, where such a post risked deletion until recently. If on the other hand someone uses DH as an example to refer to AGP they may not get deleted. I once got a reluctant admittance by a monitor, when I questioned a deletion, that yes ‘Debbie’ sometimes speaks of it.

So DH has brought some truths about some transwomen into the light, even if as you say their actions towards their own family, and their own motives, may be wrong.

DH has also been clear that being a transwoman is not the same as being a woman, which I believe does make a difference to turning the tide of this cult which swears that it is.

Maybe DH did just use this as a way to get articles published, but the public got the benefit of being allowed to hear that TW are not W from the horse’s mouth when no one else was allowed to say so.

I remember that, he admitted to it in some interview or other. With a tinkly laugh and a comment about liking to push boundaries.

Well yes precisely.

Good luck trying to get even a response. DH only replies to praise.