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LGBTQ…Z

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ChristinaXYZ · 05/04/2023 12:04

Apparently the Z is for Zoology

"In this essay, I draw the discourses around bestiality/zoophilia into the realm of queer theory in order to point to a new form of animal advocacy, something that might be called, in shorthand, loving animals. My argument is quite simple: if all interdicts against bestiality depend on a firm notion of exactly what sex is (and they do), and if queer theory disrupts that firm foundation by arguing that sexuality is impossible to define beforehand and pervades many different kinds of relations (and it does), then viewing bestiality in the frame of queer theory can give us another way to conceptualize the limitations of human exceptionalism. By focusing on transformative connections between humans and animals, a new form of animal advocacy emerges through the revolutionary power of love."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/lgbtqz/85A2B98B6708318C7C7DAAE40D15D4C9

When the backlash comes, ordinary gay men and lesbians are going to get caught up in it if there is not greater support for movements like the LGBA, that are without the TQ+. Having fought for their rights for so long this is so unfair on them, this forced teaming.

And actually ordinary transmen and transwomen who have been minding their own business for decades till the kids came along to 'woke' everyone up, they too are going to get caught up in a backlash unless they separate themsleves from the extremes of the TQ+ ideology.

LGBTQ…Z? | Hypatia | Cambridge Core

LGBTQ…Z? - Volume 27 Issue 3

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/lgbtqz/85A2B98B6708318C7C7DAAE40D15D4C9

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HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 14:31

Just the next step to legally sexually abusing children.

The goal all along. And gay men and Lesbian women are being dragged down along side these sickos.

When will they stand up??

#GettheLout
#LGBAlliance

EmotionalSupportHyena · 06/04/2023 14:28

Echobelly · 06/04/2023 13:15

The 'backlash' to ordinary LGBTQ people is only going to come from you people 'nutpicking' the occasional outlying weirdos and making a big song and dance as though paedophilia or zoophilia should have the slightest chance of being accepted by anyone. Whatever you think about people's sexual tastes you have to understand that the vast majority of all people have an absolute barrier against anything that involves parties who cannot consent, and no, it's not a slippery slope.

‘Nutpicking’

Please direct your criticism towards the academic promoting bestiality and not at the people pointing at said academic in horror.

Thanks.

whereaw · 06/04/2023 14:25

@Echobelly I thought that the point is that the whole premise of queer theory - "sexuality is impossible to define beforehand and pervades many different kinds of relations" - hence the added + in effect opens the doors to acceptance of sexuality being about almost anything because it cannot be defined and if it cannot be defined it cannot be judged. How is that not a slippery slope?

Queer theory means that boundaries can be crossed and, as described in the paper, one can be not just human but part dog, and dog part human. The author wants to deploy "a discourse of sexuality that grants animals agency and fulfilment". It is, after all, better to be raped than killed and eaten for meat (according to the paper).

Her argument is that the Q overarches all the others.
How is queer theory and it's basic premise NOT a slippery slope?

Dougalskeeper · 06/04/2023 14:03

Truly disgusting. Sex should be between fully informed consenting adults only. Animals and children NOT included

OldCrone · 06/04/2023 13:52

Echobelly · 06/04/2023 13:15

The 'backlash' to ordinary LGBTQ people is only going to come from you people 'nutpicking' the occasional outlying weirdos and making a big song and dance as though paedophilia or zoophilia should have the slightest chance of being accepted by anyone. Whatever you think about people's sexual tastes you have to understand that the vast majority of all people have an absolute barrier against anything that involves parties who cannot consent, and no, it's not a slippery slope.

So the problem isn't that some academics and others are linking LGBTQ with bestiality, but that we're talking about them doing this?

Do you think everything goes away if you sweep it under the carpet and pretend it's not happening?

SimplyAverage · 06/04/2023 13:28

Faffertea · 06/04/2023 12:03

And I’m no royal fan but judging a woman’s worth by how fuckable she is is something I’d expect on a forum predominated by men not women.

Lots of discussion that Diana was admired by men and not Charles and then lots of talk how many men admired Camilla that they cheated on their wives she was that hot.

Personally I don't like people who gaslight and cheat.

LexMitior · 06/04/2023 13:22

@OldCrone - thank you for posting that article. Modern humanities academia is depressing spectacle if it is accurate.

Echobelly · 06/04/2023 13:15

The 'backlash' to ordinary LGBTQ people is only going to come from you people 'nutpicking' the occasional outlying weirdos and making a big song and dance as though paedophilia or zoophilia should have the slightest chance of being accepted by anyone. Whatever you think about people's sexual tastes you have to understand that the vast majority of all people have an absolute barrier against anything that involves parties who cannot consent, and no, it's not a slippery slope.

OldCrone · 06/04/2023 13:06

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/04/2023 13:00

Why is she linking LGBT+ with bestiality?

She? Kathy Rudy? I don't know. Have you read her essay linked in the OP? The title is "LGBTQ...Z?" I assume the article will explain why she is linking these.

I can't access the full text, but I found the article on 4w which contains some quotes from it from it which might answer your question (I haven't had time to read it all yet).

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2023 13:05

I do wish I didn't know any of this stuff.

The depravity of the human species knows no bounds.

Merida46 · 06/04/2023 13:05

Faffertea · 06/04/2023 12:02

@SinnerBoy
Yep. Somehow they’re often over the fruit bowl/TV remote/hair brush naked while hanging curtains too.

I think the worst I came across was a man who thought putting a mercury thermometer down his urethra was a good idea. It, of course, broke.

Sorry but that reminded me of this.👇

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/04/2023 13:00

OldCrone · 06/04/2023 12:54

I can't access the full text from the link in the OP, but there's a long article about it here:

https://4w.pub/duke-professor-bestiality/

Why is she linking LGBT+ with bestiality?

Womanofcustard · 06/04/2023 12:59

There is no such thing as sex with animals or children. It’s all rape.

Palmfrond · 06/04/2023 12:38

I was really hoping the Z stood for 😴

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/04/2023 12:30

Here's another snopes article
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/animal-brothels-open-germany-migrant-population-hits-22-percent/

Zeugma · 06/04/2023 12:18

What the absolute fuck? This is the grimmest of the grim now. And the risible word salad trying to excuse/justify it.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/04/2023 12:16

easterbunnysbum · 05/04/2023 13:20

I found out about these years ago, so I hope it has changed since then.
Germany, and Denmark. Denmark recently banned it.

There was this orangutan who was rescued. It's a heartbreaking story

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2012-005326_EN.html#def1

Source for this?

The above link says "it has been reported that..." then provides a local tabloid link which doesn't appear to exist anymore.
http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120203-40531.html

If this were confirmed true there has to be a lot of reporting on it?

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 12:13

Adding the + does lend scope for just about anything, even the unimaginable, as this academic paper shows.

The LGB Alliance was telling the truth. Their tweet should not have been deleted.

SinnerBoy · 06/04/2023 12:10

Broken thermometer, urethra.... cringe

SinnerBoy · 06/04/2023 12:08

Oh, Penis News. Is that their once a decade accidentally truthful article?

Faffertea · 06/04/2023 12:03

And I’m no royal fan but judging a woman’s worth by how fuckable she is is something I’d expect on a forum predominated by men not women.

Faffertea · 06/04/2023 12:02

@SinnerBoy
Yep. Somehow they’re often over the fruit bowl/TV remote/hair brush naked while hanging curtains too.

I think the worst I came across was a man who thought putting a mercury thermometer down his urethra was a good idea. It, of course, broke.

SinnerBoy · 06/04/2023 10:23

@Faffertea

As a medic I can tell you Henry hoover is the least of it.

Yes, my sister started her career as a casualty nurse in the mid 80s, she told me that the number of men who'd fallen off a ladder, whilst changing a lightbulb was surprising...

Can I just register my utter disgust at this animal sex abuse law. Just: fucking Hell.

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