A little victory for Ireland regarding pronouns after huge backlash

https://extra.ie/2023/04/07/news/gardai-escort-books-library

Extra reported on it too.

RTE still haven't reported about the book being removed from the curriculum. Disgraceful silence for them considering how many parents have welcomed the move & how many hundreds of thousands of children will benefit.

Yes, I'd like to know the answer to that too please.

Wondering, could you explain how support for all rights will continue, when trans rights (eg for males to enter women’s spaces) are in direct conflict with women’s rights (eg to single-sex spaces)?

I've been letting my TDs know that I would fully support the Countess coming into schools to empower girls. They are a fantastic organisation.

I think the problem is letting outside agencies with a political agenda come into the classroom to 'teach' in such an unbalanced fashion in the first place.

I don't know. I'm sort of baffled by how all this has come about. Especially as there is such a focus on teaching kids about the importance of consent nowadays (a real change from when I was a teen). Yet there was and is absolutely no consent asked for by this ideology which allows males who identity as women into women's spaces or sports. None at all, and threats and cancelling and name-calling if you object.

Yeah, I guess I just find it difficult to reconcile how so much emphasis is now placed on teaching consent, and at the same time non- consenual access to women's spaces has become accepted as a right by many. I suppose it's back to TWAW, but I don't think most Irish people accept that. Very happy to accept they're TW but that's it.

It's not education with our government & their hidden agenda. It's indoctrination.

Yup @Dishwasherdisaster it's the one way direction of all of this that's so concerning. You simply can't change policy and law wholesale in a way that half the population are left worse off, and not expect resistance. If an acre of land gets rezoned you have recognised pro and anti sides. We've every right to be concerned, how dare anyone say we don't?

I guess I'm a weird outdated consevative type so!
Actually I'm not religious, a left-wing middle-aged mother, and I think you underestimate how many people are waking up and realising the damage that's being done to women and children. I support trans people but their activists have pushed for too much now and they are doing serious damage. Every one of my friends are equally horrified by what's been going on without us realising.

And I think a pp is right. Once the schools started being affected people really started noticing. Belong To is doing programmes in my DS's secondary school (all boys). His class were re-designing hypothetical inclusive toilets the other day. (I did not know this in advance.) He came home and said they'd decided that anyone trans could use the ladies. I said, well, it's of course very good to organise things so trans people feel comfortable but I'm afraid women mightn't like the solution you've come up with, and mentioned religion, women affected by DV etc too. And how women sometimes need their own spaces to feel safe.
And he was so shocked - and none of that had even been considered or discussed in class. It was all completely one way! And he's 12 so I don't expect him to intuitively consider things from a woman's POV but this is NOT how we should be educating our boys. This is wrong.

11 minutes of a video well done Gript 😊😊😊 Radio silence from RTÉ, more parental pushback. I'm from Co Meath I'd have gone had I known!

https://fb.watch/jKNNO_Br5F/

Link and screenshot

The Gript have a video up on Facebook of a huge protest from parents in Swords North Co Dublin today if anyone can post the link here? Huge well done to all the parents interviewed! The pushback is huge!

If her brother became a property developer, we'd be all over her to make sure she didn't advantage her brother and everyone else's expense.

Women are in the constitution, they've revoked and abolished us easily enough.

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry I really feel that now is the time on the back the world athletics decision, what happened in Scotland & what will potentially (& hopefully) happen in the UK that the parties here will have to revisit the GRA act which is not in the constitution & can be revoked or abolished.
It's not working in women's favour. Men's kinks & demands are over riding women's..

Penny Mordant seems to be a woman who will support her brothers no matter how dodgy thay are. Mary-Lou seems likely to support her brother. BUT our political parties (none of whom are Tories), have to work within a system that is democratic, and they know it.

In that notorious interview on Morning Ireland about the Athletics decision, one of the TRA interviewees stated 'we need to find a balance between fairness and inclusion' . Unchallenged.

It said it all. Trans inclusion (in sport, in changing rooms, on shortlists etc etc etc) is unfair. Particularly to women. Any belief system whose core argument is that fairness should be compromised has lost.

Hooray for rank-and-file Gardai who won't have to tell rape victims that the person who stuck a penis into them was a woman.

Actually, quite a lot of Tories support Self ID. They include Penny Mordaunt who stood for the leadership when Johnson resigned. She is a possible future leader , given the dearth of talent on the Tory benches now.

Our own Tories seem to be fully captured by the trans ideology. I suppose they'll have a line to use on the doorsteps when it comes up.

' You're the nineteenth person I've told today : it's just not an issue! '

You slip in a sentence about Ireland, but preceded it with

The Tories in the UK need some way of desperately staying in power. Their hope seems to be to stoke the culture wars.

and followed it with

The issues they seem to be backing, especially in the UK, are anti trans & anti refugee.

who is this 'they' ? - the only way I can read it that 'they' are Tories, a foreign political party regarded with bewildered dislike by anyone in Ireland who notices they exist. Even our Garda Commissioner, trained in an area of the UK with a long tradition of violent colonial policing, comes from a place with no Tories. Assorted Unionists, but no Tories.

Why even mention foreign political parties (particularly one in a country with an electoral system so flawed it barely qualifies as democratic) in a thread about Ireland?

@1Week yes but they're still not women so should not be allowed access to women's spaces. It's ludicrous. Why are their feelings overriding biological women?
Their should be no penises in women's spaces end of. I really do hope the government reverses the GRA it is of no benefit to biological women.

It's very pertinent.
Women are saying, We need to keep our spaces because 1% (lets say) of males are violent.
1% (lets say) of Trans people are answering that with ...violence.... to try and prove we don't have to fear violence.

We make laws to mitigate against the 1%, the edge cases. Everyone understands that most people decent.

Deliberately missing what point? The basic point is a man cannot be a woman. They can wear women's clothes, change their names, put on lipstick but they will never be women & therefore do not have the right into women's spaces.

But @Wonderingiforifnot surely you can give your opinion. I asked do you believe a person with a penis, no reproductive organs, will never be able to menustrate or never be able to reproduce can be a woman??? Well do you???
... After all monthly periods are a huge part of living as a woman as we well know.

We all know the answer is no. Even the most advance science in the world will never be able to turn a man into a woman.

So why are these men allowed into our spaces? Why are woman allowing it to happen?

I'm on a thread giving my opinion on attitudes to trans people in Ireland. I don't need to answer your questionnaire to do that! I don't think this is the place for reasoned debate as some posters (I don't know if you're one of them) can't resist using hateful language or deliberately missing the point and so on.