[RNZ] Spike in online hate toward trans community after Posie Parker visit - researchers

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I would say the reverse, when they (the TRAs) know full well they can get away with whatever they want -

Thanks to the posters who have found out more about the Disinformation Project. It was good work but how have standards of journalism slipped so far that RNZ publishes an article without doing some fact checking first? It's even worse given that we were told that RNZ receives public money.

If we took the way the term 'genocidal' is used by the most extreme trans activists and how it is defined by them, then the obvious conclusion would be that it is they who are being 'genocidal' towards women and girls as a sex class by demanding our words, spaces, and rights and by insisting that we cannot exist in public or in laws as the people we really are and define ourselves as.

That would be a stupid and exaggerated argument and so we don't use it. But it would be the mirror image of what is happening now.

Likewise, the online hate is used here as a mirror image. Those activists colonising the Women's Country are trying to define what citizens of that country are allowed to say or do and when there are uprisings they are called undeserved bigotry and hatred, even if the uprisings are not about hatred at all, but about trying to hold on to the old rights those citizens had.

From page 2 when I said Who knew that New Zealanders are so politically immature that the arrival of one woman from the UK to the country has thrown it into turmoil.

It was a joke. And apologise if anyone thought I thought that. :)

"Online hate" = women saying "no" to men.

Good point. The posters who won't look at news sources they don't approve of can continue in their happy, deliberate ignorance.

Did you see that in depth BBC report on the Kellie Jay Keen situation and on the violence that the women suffered as a result of...wanting to go and watch women say words?

No, me neither.

Is "online hate" just people saying they disapprove of actual violence against women?

I was not in the "boycott NZ camp", although I abandoned plans to visit. This makes me think about boycotting NZ produce.

No! No! Lizzie, you really missed the clanger.

The person who made that statement is with an organisation called The Disinformation Project.

The person also used the current buzz words of neo-fascist and neo-nazi to describe people who disagree with the government, referred to as an anti-mandate group. Because that is what a person who is rational and seeks to only present the facts and the truth does….

'Hate' = saying things like 'that was totally unacceptable', and 'stop using ridiculously over dramatic terms like 'genocide' for people saying that was appalling behaviour'.

Yeah yeah.

Analysts monitoring online extremism say it has hit new lows with one researcher describing it as "genocidal".

I stopped reading the article after this sentence. You cannot take them seriously after printing such a ridiculous comparison.

Given the source and low quality of the article I’m not sure about op’s claim on RNZ being equivalent to BBC

BBC has its gender ideology moments but it’s not this bad.

So a state funded media outlet pushing something so dire does seem up there with politicians excusing the violence

Shaneel Lal, named in that article, was openly and joyously celebrating the actual literal (genuine real physical) violence against PP, and now they're claiming they're being sent online threats.

(I think they're also the same person who made fun of the horrific murder of Charlene Downes?)

Ah boo boo boo boo boo. Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo. WAAH WAAAH WAAH fucking waaaaah. I don't think I've been so terribly sorry for anyone since I read the sad tale of a transwoman who's not allowed to beat women in running races any more.

😭😭😭😭

What a fucking ridiculous post.

I initially assumed that The Disinformation Project would be scientific, y’know, like the expert witnesses giving evidence re: social media in the Depp/Heard US case, who used specialist software to crunch numbers of tweets and the reach of each tweet?

But it looks like TDP just scroll through social media looking for stuff they don’t personally like, and then write word salady reports referring to other people’s personal opinions as ‘Information Disorders’ as if having a different opinion to the government is an illness?

It’s a bit batshit Big Brother-y, frankly.

Plus, as that Charlie bloke says, TDP pivot their narrative so many times they end up turning in circles.

From the first sentence about her being ‘anti-trans’ you knew the spew of reversed blame and victimhood for Transactivists that would follow.

It is the Transactivists’ hate they should be looking at. Just maybe it it was their disgraceful behaviour the other weekend which has brought transgender ideology into the general public’s attention.

Anyone that thinks a woman, or a man, should be punched repeatedly and left with a fractured skull just for wanting to talk needs to take a really good look at how they view the world.

But as this thread has been started by someone who seems to have a hatred of KJK I'm not surprised by the lack of understanding that in normal society you don't just go around lamping people just because you disagree with them.

I'm halfway through this. New Zealand is mental.

Gosh those women were even braver than I thought.

This is what I love about FWR.

Poster starts a thread about a report. Women here read it. They then (as we’ve been told so many times) do their research on it to find out the back story, the credibility of the research and the researcher. And find out (surprise, surprise) that it’s a load of poorly researched bollocks.

Time and again when posters like Land, Mishy etc share this poorly researched biased articles this happens.

Of course, they’ll cry anti-trans bias, right wing blah blah but they never learn. And they never think of the people who read but don’t post. Who see their disingenuousness.

If you’re going to post an article, be prepared for it to be dissected and discussed.

What, you mean no evidence of eye rolling and exasperated sighing from online GCs leading to violence against trans?

I can hardly believe it. Almost as if there's no planned armageddon of trans.

Things can be spun in all kinds of ways. In a sane world the headlines could read;

'Politicians call on trans people to distance themselves from extreme trans activist mob after violent attack on women's right's campaigner'

or

'Criticism has been growing online after a violent trans activist mob protested a peaceful gathering of women, one of whom was punched in the face by an angry thug. Trans people have been called upon to affirm that they support and respect women's rights and do not support these extremists.'

I went looking for the magical proof behind the article and came up with, nada. Same as when I look for the magical proof that humans can change sex. Just because you say it loudly and often, does not make it true.

Most inane post so far.

Just starting this now if anyone wants to watch along with me.

Of course they are going to say this. They can't say 'men got violent' as it rather proves Posie's point.

Although no idea why there is this uptick in hate, according to them, the event was a peaceful celebration.