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Begbiessister · 03/04/2023 21:31

I'm not happy about this. I don't think this is helpful for kids. Is that just me?

www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/jinkx-monsoon-joins-cast-doctor-who-series

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Happylittlechicken · 04/04/2023 05:47

So in doctor who males play both the main female and male roles! Back to Elizabethan times we go. On the subject of Jinkx and the misogynistic subject of drag…. I think Jinkx is one of the lovely people who refer to woman as “fishy”. So a man dressing up as a woman using sexist stereotypes to mock and degrade women. So progressive.
I do look forward to the episode of Dr Who featuring the black and white minstrels….. because if womanface is ok, blackface must be too right?

Allmyghosts · 04/04/2023 01:46

I haven't disliked anything rtd has done so have high hopes, can't be worse than chibnall and I wasn't overly keen on Moffat if I'm being honest.

CremeEggQueen · 04/04/2023 01:37

I love Dr Who.
Not going to write any character off before seeing them in person so to speak.
Made that mistake before with Donna, thought she was going to be well irritating but she was an amazing and one of the best in my opinion companions.

DemiColon · 04/04/2023 01:20

I am totally fine with any actor playing any role so long as it convinces me of whatever I need to be convinced of.

The problem I have with Dr Who is that their casting, like their plot lines, mainly seem to be a vehicle for virtue signalling and finger wagging at the viewers. It's annoying and patronizing and, as we can all see, leads to truly awful scripts.

This seems to fit right in with that.

I keep wondering how long they can keep the show going with it's abysmal viewing numbers. They seem to realize they are doing something wrong, but every time they try and make a change they double down on the things that are actually driving people away.

I've found it really interesting how writers who I know have some real ability, like RTD, can, under the influence of modern id pol, produce such utter shit, and think it's good. It's very weird, like it's melted their brains.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/04/2023 00:08

I like my strong interesting female characters to be played by actual females. I’ll watch the DT episodes then leave it. Woman face leaves me cold.

HirplesWithHaggis · 03/04/2023 23:52

PurpleBugz · 03/04/2023 22:20

I can get past how painful the shoes look in that picture. Massively cutting into the feet.

Unless the character is drag then I don't think I'm too happy about it. And if it's going to make mockery of women I'm not happy about it it depends on how it's done.

And the mid-calf sock indentation on one leg. My first thought was fluid retention, should maybe see a GP.

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 03/04/2023 23:45

We're out now.

Shame.

KilljoysMakeSomeNoise · 03/04/2023 23:45

It's a bit shit really. I agree with a PP about Jodie Whitaker and "the fam", although I did like all the companions. Why did she need so many? It was all a bit the little lady can't cope on her own?

So now we're back to having the doctor played by man, with a companion that's a transwomen (so, a man) and a drag Queen (so, another man) Great.

Hoardasurass · 03/04/2023 23:31

Dr who is now banned in this house all the lead characters are played by males (regardless of how they identify) not one actual women I'm done with the BBC and its constant pushing of this gender bs on children and young teens who are the target audience of Dr Who

IvyTwines · 03/04/2023 23:30

Is Doctor Who like Elizabethan theatre now, where the female parts are played by men and boys?

GrumpyPanda · 03/04/2023 23:16

OhVicIveFallen · 03/04/2023 21:40

I think its just you tbh. Why is this a bad thing? I'm a massive terf but I don't see a man playing a woman in a TV show as a problem. He may even be playing an alien who knows? Do you have a problem with the transgirl playing Rose?

Well given there's about 7 male roles in film to about 3 female ones, and similar among extras, maybe it would be more helpful the other way around. And maybe get to fucking 50:50 at least.

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 03/04/2023 23:09

Nellieinthebarn · 03/04/2023 22:27

I have a feeling that RTD will turn Doctor Who into a Queer Theory propaganda machine. Which is a great shame because I loved his first era, and was really pleased when it was revived. I probably won't bother watching if a drag queen is in the show in drag, I really find drag offensive.

Yes, I mostly agree with this.
I didn't enjoy Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, and I wanted to. I found many of the storylines boring and preachy. And why did the first female Dr need to have so many companions (and calling them "the fam" made me cringe every time), it's almost like she wasn't as strong/competent as the male ones.
I'll watch the episodes with David Tennant, but I can see myself giving up after this as I'm sure RTD will be shoving everything queer front and centre (and no I don't mean LGB) to prove a point to the "transphobes".

PickAChew · 03/04/2023 22:57

It's not like you don't have to leave your sense of reality at the door to watch Dr Who, anyhow. The whole bloody show is make believe.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 22:54

SNWannabe · 03/04/2023 22:12

Rose is trans? Wasn't she Billie Piper?

Also, the person as a drag act is acting already...so yeah I wouldn't expect Dirty Den from Eastenders to be in Dr Who... pretending to be a Dalek played by dirty den...

Its all a bit too confusing...and try hard. And they were called "she" in the article...so that does indicate the alter ego is the one who has the dr who job...

I dunno - I’d think I’d be quite interested in a Dirty Den x Dalek storyline.

Dirty Davros?

Nellieinthebarn · 03/04/2023 22:27

I have a feeling that RTD will turn Doctor Who into a Queer Theory propaganda machine. Which is a great shame because I loved his first era, and was really pleased when it was revived. I probably won't bother watching if a drag queen is in the show in drag, I really find drag offensive.

FatFucker · 03/04/2023 22:25

He calls himself "she" I probably won't be watching. Fucking hate drag.

Dr Who has completely lost the plot. Such a shame. :(

7Worfs · 03/04/2023 22:23

Also 🤮 uncanny valley. I can’t even look at photos of drag queens

7Worfs · 03/04/2023 22:22

I stopped watching years ago when the show turned into political statements with some background script.
Being preached at is the exact opposite of entertainment.

PurpleBugz · 03/04/2023 22:20

I can get past how painful the shoes look in that picture. Massively cutting into the feet.

Unless the character is drag then I don't think I'm too happy about it. And if it's going to make mockery of women I'm not happy about it it depends on how it's done.

Wehadabetamax · 03/04/2023 22:14

There is new character called Rose. The child of Donna and her husband.

SNWannabe · 03/04/2023 22:12

Rose is trans? Wasn't she Billie Piper?

Also, the person as a drag act is acting already...so yeah I wouldn't expect Dirty Den from Eastenders to be in Dr Who... pretending to be a Dalek played by dirty den...

Its all a bit too confusing...and try hard. And they were called "she" in the article...so that does indicate the alter ego is the one who has the dr who job...

senua · 03/04/2023 22:09

Wehadabetamax · 03/04/2023 21:55

Do you have a problem with the transgirl playing Rose?

Well that depends if Rose is a female or male character, doesn't it? I haven't seen anything to say which yet.

Is that Rose as in the person Billie Piper played? Straightforward female IIRC.

This all feels like Dr Who has jumped the shark.

mirah2 · 03/04/2023 22:08

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/04/2023 22:03

It's not unexpected, given RTD's ridiculous speech at the Baftas.

To be honest, I'm in two minds about watching it. It really went off the boil when Chris Chibnall took control, far too much new canon, and I just lost interest.

Same. I gave up watching when Chibnall took over - the characterisation by in-your-face-special-characteristic-box-ticking instead of organic character development was really getting to me. I was really hoping RTD's return would mean it was worth picking up again. This makes me less optimistic.

Sigh

Circumferences · 03/04/2023 22:03

OhVicIveFallen · 03/04/2023 21:58

Why?

Because drag takes the puss out of women.
Why should Dr Who want to take the piss out of women?
I mean, we all know the director is a proud queer so could enjoy drag himself for whatever reason but why actually promote misogyny?

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/04/2023 22:03

It's not unexpected, given RTD's ridiculous speech at the Baftas.

To be honest, I'm in two minds about watching it. It really went off the boil when Chris Chibnall took control, far too much new canon, and I just lost interest.

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