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Begbiessister · 03/04/2023 21:31

I'm not happy about this. I don't think this is helpful for kids. Is that just me?

www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/jinkx-monsoon-joins-cast-doctor-who-series

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Nellieinthebarn · 21/04/2023 21:49

CremeEggQueen · 21/04/2023 21:38

The women stuck on the spacecraft in Midnight were believable too imo, I'm thinking the young scientist lady who's partnered with her patronising creepy boss and the woman who ends up getting possessed (can't remember their names, been a while since I watched that episode!
Never seen Years and Years

I love Midnight, its one of my favourites. The concept is brilliant, the acting superb. But I think the female characters are not particularly well written. They are just all a bit two dimensional. Until they are possessed by an alien of course. And I do appreciate that this is a children's show, or at least a show that children should be able to watch and understand.

It doesn't stop me from watching RTD, I do like his programes, but really for the plot, or ideas, I just don't expect to believe the characters.

I really recommend Years and Years, I was glued to it.

CremeEggQueen · 21/04/2023 21:38

Nellieinthebarn · 21/04/2023 21:31

Yes granted, but I am struggling to think of another tbh. The mum in Years and Years was well rounded, but I think that may be due to the magnificent Anne Reid than the script. They seem to be a bit 'stock' generally, to me anyway.

The women stuck on the spacecraft in Midnight were believable too imo, I'm thinking the young scientist lady who's partnered with her patronising creepy boss and the woman who ends up getting possessed (can't remember their names, been a while since I watched that episode!
Never seen Years and Years

Nellieinthebarn · 21/04/2023 21:31

CremeEggQueen · 21/04/2023 21:26

Rose (Billy piper) was a believable female character

Yes granted, but I am struggling to think of another tbh. The mum in Years and Years was well rounded, but I think that may be due to the magnificent Anne Reid than the script. They seem to be a bit 'stock' generally, to me anyway.

CremeEggQueen · 21/04/2023 21:26

Nellieinthebarn · 21/04/2023 18:13

I don't think RTD writes particulaly believable female characters.

Rose (Billy piper) was a believable female character

WarningToTheCurious · 21/04/2023 20:31

OldGardinia · 20/04/2023 13:49

Back behind the sofa I go...

Pennywise meets Liberace and his piano.

Nellieinthebarn · 21/04/2023 18:13

I don't think RTD writes particulaly believable female characters.

KatMcBundleFace · 21/04/2023 17:20

I watched It's A Sin the other week. Very moving, but I was also struck at how the mother was blamed for the guy shagging around and giving lots of men HIV; she was a devil. The gay man had no capacity for right and wrong, so damaged was he by the evil woman, and she was awful.
The other main female character was an angel. She lived through the gay men like she had no other life, but to party with them and nurse and care for them.

It was like the women were judged through their behaviour towards the men. That was their point .

RTD has got some unresolved misogynist issues to deal with I suspect. A psychoanalysist could have a field day with some of this, I'm sure.

He's still a great writer. And although, as I'm a literal witch in his eyes, I still enjoy his work.

KatMcBundleFace · 21/04/2023 17:11

RTD knows how to make great television, he knows how to pull the heartstrings. And he knows how to push his views and perspectives too.
He's too clever and he knows people are sick of being clumsily preached at.
I'm sure he'll be going for rip roaring adventures again. I'm sure we'll get a good side helping of "be kind and inclusive".
I'm excited about the cast LOTS of talent there. I just want the good Dr Who back.

KatMcBundleFace · 21/04/2023 17:07

There was the character Cassendra, who claimed to have grown up a boy, but then after 7008 plastic surgery operations seemed to be a narcissistic psychotic female killer who was essentially just a piece of skin with a face.
How lovely pre QT Doctor Who was!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 21/04/2023 16:16

Those terrible terves, aligning themselves with (fascist) Daleks again!

AnythingToSay · 21/04/2023 15:57

Shelefttheweb · 20/04/2023 10:02

The question is how 'political' this appearance ends up being I suppose.

I agree, sadly recent series don’t look good on that score. On the bases of recent episodes I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Earth had been destroyed because TERFs had failed to accept men could be women, the Dr manages to tweak the chameleon circuit of the tardis so it becomes a progress pride flag, Terfs are dispatched to oblivion with the Darleks, and the poor oppressed transwomen creep out of hiding into the daylight of a brand new dawn.

How did you access RTD's computer?? 😂

OldGardinia · 20/04/2023 17:47

Crocodilekneecaps · 20/04/2023 17:44

Doc is black

His first words better be "Still not ginger!"

Just kidding, I stopped watching DW back at the end of Capaldi's run.

PuttingDownRoots · 20/04/2023 17:44

I think some people are confusing the character of Rose, (not Rose Tyler), played by Yasmin Finney, that will be in the special with David Tennant, with the new companion played by Millie Gibson

Crocodilekneecaps · 20/04/2023 17:44

Doc is black

Happylittlechicken · 20/04/2023 17:42

Nope. The companion at the moment is a male with a trans identity. So male doctor, male companion, male villain. So diverse, much inclusivity

Crocodilekneecaps · 20/04/2023 17:39

The companion is female

Clymene · 20/04/2023 13:57

Dr Who and its all male cast. How very progressive Hmm

Ohnohedident · 20/04/2023 13:52

Motnight · 03/04/2023 21:33

In what way?

(genuine question)

Would you be ok with someone from the black and white minstrel show joining the cast?

In that way, that's the way its not ok.

OldGardinia · 20/04/2023 13:49

Back behind the sofa I go...

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CopperRosie · 20/04/2023 10:49

PurpleBugz · 03/04/2023 22:20

I can get past how painful the shoes look in that picture. Massively cutting into the feet.

Unless the character is drag then I don't think I'm too happy about it. And if it's going to make mockery of women I'm not happy about it it depends on how it's done.

Yes - the shoes look so very painful. Makes me wince….

Shelefttheweb · 20/04/2023 10:02

The question is how 'political' this appearance ends up being I suppose.

I agree, sadly recent series don’t look good on that score. On the bases of recent episodes I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Earth had been destroyed because TERFs had failed to accept men could be women, the Dr manages to tweak the chameleon circuit of the tardis so it becomes a progress pride flag, Terfs are dispatched to oblivion with the Darleks, and the poor oppressed transwomen creep out of hiding into the daylight of a brand new dawn.

Shelefttheweb · 20/04/2023 09:53

If Jinx is some sort of random Alien villain then it could be ok - who’s to say that alien culture doesn’t dress men in weird, to Earth eyes, relatively feminine stereotyped costumes. I would have a lot more problems if the produces try to claim they are a woman.

Littlesprouts · 20/04/2023 09:43

To sit on the fence - I think the promo pics look good and in a lot of ways, Jinkx is a good fit. Jinkx is from a theatre-comedy-musical background and has always been a geeky, more 'old school' drag queen who never had a sleazy, sexy act. Jinkx has just been playing Mama Moreton on Broadway. So is actually capable of doing the job rather than it being any kind of stunt casting.

However Jinkx has identified as non binary for the last few years and considers themselves to be trans with it, and anything that perpetuates more of that meaningless nonsense is a turn off for me. The question is how 'political' this appearance ends up being I suppose.

Shelefttheweb · 19/04/2023 20:11

Panto

Davros · 19/04/2023 19:28

Vada!

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