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Hundreds at Hyde Park for Let Women Speak!

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BoreOfWhabylon · 02/04/2023 14:56

TRAs seem to be keeping away since organisers gained assurances from police that the women would, at last, be protected.
Lots of gay men also attending in support
Livestream by Venice Allen
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yun3tGCljME

Let women speak

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yun3tGCljME

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Happylittlechicken · 03/04/2023 17:44

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:52

So it's okay to joke about violence against women and if you don't get the jokes that's embarrassing.

I thought this was a feminism forum but clearly I am very lost.

The fact it’s Easter Sunday, some people get Easter eggs on Easter Sunday. So she’s saying bring your Easter eggs. How Is that violence against women? Violence against waistlines yes, women no. Maybe she’s asking that people give her Easter eggs to reward her for all her hard work….

Happylittlechicken · 03/04/2023 17:40

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:19

Fair point.

If I had been shot at a previous event and was planning a new event near a gym I would Tweet 'bring your guns'

It would be obvious I meant 💪🏼

Are you blushing cos you didn’t get the joke?

Helleofabore · 03/04/2023 17:31

VanillaSnap · 03/04/2023 16:28

I'm genuinely curious, what is it you found helpful to be informed? I mean after stating the obvious that men are men no matter what they call themselves or identify as, what else is thee left to say?

I am not going to speak for Elsie, however I learn a lot about what campaigns are running, I learn different perspectives on things that are concerning others so I can appreciate their concerns better, I learn about laws and how they effect my life and others.

A lot of very knowledgeable speakers attend these events as well as speakers with unique perspectives that add to my understanding.

Do you never listen to the women speaking on YouTube?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 16:55

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2023 16:29

I remember you saying you had forgotten all about it even though your partner had arranged the TRA protest?

Why DO TRAs insist on calling their protests ‘counter protests?’

The women at LWS Brighton were speaking about their own lived experiences, they weren’t there to protest against another, third event.

When Scottish women assembled outside Holyrood to protest against the GRR Bill, the TRAs could legitimately describe their presence as a ‘counter protest’ against the protest organised by For Women Scot, which was a protest against the bill being debated inside.

Whatever it is that TRAs do at LWS speaking tour events, cannot, in good faith, be described as a ‘counter protest’.

Describing TRA attempts to scare women into shutting up and when that fails, trying to drown their voices out with noise as ‘a counter protest’ is pure TRA propaganda.

Seems a bit weird for an ACTUAL REAL LEFT WING FEMINIST to be unthinkingly repeating TRA propaganda on Mumsnet?

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2023 16:29

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 12:48

I really hope the next SFW is just as peaceful but considering KJK Tweeted a picture of herself covered in tomato soup and invited the TRAs to bring eggs then I doubt it somehow.

@AlisonDonut lol no my partner supports trans rights but had nothing to do with the counter protest in Brighton.

I remember you saying you had forgotten all about it even though your partner had arranged the TRA protest?

VanillaSnap · 03/04/2023 16:28

ExiledElsie · 03/04/2023 13:04

It was a bot boring TBH. Without the TRAs to provide entertainment it there was little worth watching.

Shhh you're not supposed to admit this.

I've been to quite a few of these and the ones with no protestors are interesting, informative and provide a fantastic opportunity for women to network. It's much more pleasant to meet and not come away with ringing ears.

The optics of the "be kind" crowd yelling at women is obviously interesting, but extremely unpleasant to be involved in.

I'm genuinely curious, what is it you found helpful to be informed? I mean after stating the obvious that men are men no matter what they call themselves or identify as, what else is thee left to say?

nzborn · 03/04/2023 15:51

I thought it meant bring your overies you know the things us old fashioned women have.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 14:45

The Gender A Wider Lens podcast has recently taken on a new team of two for behind the scenes work (both parents of ROGD kids, IIRC). They’ve started making shorter clips with thumbnail images designed to attract the algorithm and give a recognisable look to the channel.

A lot of the LWS footage has been difficult to hear over the crowd but if the police are going to step up and make it possible for women to be heard then it would be really great if LWS could find someone who can do something similar with existing footage.

The SkirtGoSpinny documentary from the LWS NYC event is truly excellent, and while it might not be possible to find someone quite as talented that filmmaker, it would be good to at least extract the best bits from all the live streams so far and make some digestible, shareable chunks.

DerekFaker · 03/04/2023 14:25

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 14:12

I’d love for the stream to be clipped into short segments to make them easier to share.

So much good stuff but sending a normie a 2 hour stream isn’t going to entice them to listen!

That's a good point, somebody should definitely do that. We could mabe ask SFW?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 14:12

I’d love for the stream to be clipped into short segments to make them easier to share.

So much good stuff but sending a normie a 2 hour stream isn’t going to entice them to listen!

Helleofabore · 03/04/2023 13:58

I am loving the 'vagina anthem' performance, it reminds me of all the accusations about Kellie Jay attending the Mot Dag conference from people who read a very bad faith take from some random media outlet and never thought to check out the performance from these two women.

What a great spontaneous performance.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 13:54

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:52

So it's okay to joke about violence against women and if you don't get the jokes that's embarrassing.

I thought this was a feminism forum but clearly I am very lost.

Please take the KJK chat to today’s KJK thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4777080-anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie-jay-keen?reply=125142076

Anatomy of the Near Murder of Kellie-Jay Keen | Mumsnet

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4777080-anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie-jay-keen?reply=125142076

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:52

So it's okay to joke about violence against women and if you don't get the jokes that's embarrassing.

I thought this was a feminism forum but clearly I am very lost.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 03/04/2023 13:48

DerekFaker · 03/04/2023 13:33

I'm actually embarrassed for you.

I know I'll get accused of deploying gifs and therefore not taking people's brand new and fascinating points sufficiently seriously, but I do think that at this point the only sensible response is cliche

sing it Elsa

frozen let it go GIF by Walt Disney Animation Studios
Helleofabore · 03/04/2023 13:47

I am just listening to the speakers. They are wonderful. A couple I have heard before, but what a fantastic event.

And Baroness Fox was very good in articulating her position.

DerekFaker · 03/04/2023 13:33

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 13:18

As Posie wasn’t in attendance at the event this thread documents & discusses, perhaps we could direct all of today’s KJK’s chat over to this thread? Reserve this thread’s spotlight for Venice and Julia and all the speakers on the day?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4777080-anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie-jay-keen?reply=125140940

Thank you Crypto.

DerekFaker · 03/04/2023 13:33

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:19

Fair point.

If I had been shot at a previous event and was planning a new event near a gym I would Tweet 'bring your guns'

It would be obvious I meant 💪🏼

I'm actually embarrassed for you.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 13:23

I hope that the TRAs will be back home with their parents, doing an egg hunt next Sunday. Or maybe there should be a terfy dinosaur egg hunt in Hyde Park to keep them TRAs occupied.

Helleofabore · 03/04/2023 13:23

I thought I saw an egg hit the back of her head in one of the clips as she is being walked out of the park in Auckland. Just before she also had a clear substance sprayed over her.

MarshaBradyo · 03/04/2023 13:20

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:19

Fair point.

If I had been shot at a previous event and was planning a new event near a gym I would Tweet 'bring your guns'

It would be obvious I meant 💪🏼

She wasn’t hit with an egg

She didn’t say bring your soup or fists

SapphosRock · 03/04/2023 13:19

Fair point.

If I had been shot at a previous event and was planning a new event near a gym I would Tweet 'bring your guns'

It would be obvious I meant 💪🏼

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 13:19

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 13:17

The thing is, in German, the slang for testicles is eggs - eier - so maybe Posie is signalling for only men to come. 🤔

Some of the egg gifs are truly horrifying.

Scrambled Eggs Reaction GIF
CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 03/04/2023 13:18

As Posie wasn’t in attendance at the event this thread documents & discusses, perhaps we could direct all of today’s KJK’s chat over to this thread? Reserve this thread’s spotlight for Venice and Julia and all the speakers on the day?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4777080-anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie-jay-keen?reply=125140940

Anatomy of the Near Murder of Kellie-Jay Keen | Mumsnet

Mumsnet makes parents' lives easier by pooling knowledge, advice and support on everything from conception to childbirth, from babies to teenagers.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4777080-anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie-jay-keen?reply=125140940

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 13:17

DerekFaker · 03/04/2023 13:13

I don't even think it's ill considered. It's EASTER WEEKEND ffs.

I know, I know…

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 13:17

The thing is, in German, the slang for testicles is eggs - eier - so maybe Posie is signalling for only men to come. 🤔