My husband

Well in some ways I think he is right.

If you vote Tories, you also vote to send asylum seekers to Rwanda. You vote fir brexit (if that’s till a thing). You vote to reduce welfare and destroy the NHS. You vote to reduce the right to protest. You tell them that all the money sent to their pals with PPE is ok etc etc…

So Imo whatever way you vote, you need to take ALL these things into account because with your vote, you are telling them that you are ok with it all. You can’t pick and chose iyswim.

Same with labour btw.

So you might put women rights at the top of your list but well above let’s say the NHS or the right to protest. Or climate change. And feel it’s worth accepting all that.
Your DH might feel other things - like climate change - are on the whole much more serious and is happy to accept all the trans stuff

Imo all the trans stuff is much more likely to change and evolve. It already is (see rules trans who can’t compete anymore in some sports). . It will need much more pressure I agree.
Climate change, the right to protests, human rights, the economy?
Now that scares the hell of me re women. Because we will be the first to suffer from it. We already are.

I think the major issue here is that the rights of biological males who believe that they are women, are being put above the rights of people who are biological females.

This may make life easier for the 2.7% of people it impacts. While compromising the safety, dignity and rights of women 51% (adult and children) and male children.

Ultimately trans women don’t bother me. People with penises who may take advantage of new legislation to attack, wound, perv upon, dupe, etc women and children are what bothers me. Alongside disproportionate advantage and priority of rights for trans women, over women.

They already have mixed changing rooms at leisure centres which disincentivises women and children from using them, just the beginning.

When the laws are fully implemented (self-id etc) so that we cannot identify women as a sex class, the men will all rise to the top. In everything. And there will be no way of calling this out, because the laws will say that they are now women.
And our government, even if they bring in laws for 50:50 representation in government, will be half men in trousers and half TW. No women at all.
And we will NEVER be able to get our rights back, because the 'women' in parliament will vote against it.

We must stand up NOW, or go down into the dark.
Tell your husband to join our side now.
The house IS on fire.

your husband is n+1 man ie it’s never enough women that will be affected for him to think it matters

Basically he thinks womens right are not human rights and so don’t matter

Changing laws, services and building based around the preferences of a small group will affect everyone who doesn’t share those preferences, not just the small group.

This. "Trans" people don't need to exist at all for the policy of "let men into women's spaces on demand, and persecute women who object" to be a bad one...

I don't care what the justification for that policy is who it's supposed to be helping - it's just bad policy.

(I struggled with what adjective to put there, and settled for "bad". You can substitute other as you wish.)

Or, looking at it the other way, you could say it's based around prioritising 50% of the population over the other 50%. Doesn't matter. Whether you believe it's for no-one, a tiny minority, or 50%, it's still doing the same harm to women.

(The only way the policy would not be bad for women would be if men didn't exist.)

I do think considering the position on trans issues is important as it impacts greatly on women’s rights.

However, in a way your husband has a point - if we don’t get climate change, amongst other bigger issues, right, then we are utterly stuffed. All of us.

Need to have a viable planet and healthy human population in order to have rights.

Admittedly, I will not be voting for a party whose position is that a women can have a penis - but I don’t think they will get other issues right either so I wouldn’t have voted for them anyway.

If a party will lie to your face about something as simple as whether women have penises, how can you trust them about anything else?.

This.

First of all, no-one here is against trans rights nor would we want ot vote for a party that is.

But the loss of women's rights, the lack of safeguarding for women and children and the teaching of queer theory in schools are issues that seriously affect some 60% or 70% of the population.

51% of the population are female so it actually affects 33 million people not a tiny percentage at all.

DH thinks that a political party’s approach to trans rights is a small aspect of their manifesto

Because he is male, so is less affected by this. So he is selfish. Does he have daughters?

Your dh can vote for whatever reason and whatever party he wants to and so can you. Lots of people vote on single issues. I do, I voted for the best party on childcare for at least two elections for example. Now this is not as important to me so I vote on women’s rights now. In the future I might vote on something else entirely.

Ask him what could possibly be more important than human rights.

But I think if he doesn’t get it, he’s probably not going to until he processes it in a personal way. ie; how it impacts you, his mother, daughter or sister.

Some men simply decide that they don’t want men in the bathroom with their women. Terribly paternalistic but I think better than not caring at all.

My husband understands it in the way @BlackForestCake explained. It’s just an obvious lie, and anyone willing to go along with it is nuts. But we are in the US and have a great deal of obvious “emperor’s new clothes” things happening constantly, which helps.

I would vote for a pro-slavery party that was good on their stuff. Should have said ‘ good on other stuff’

Women’s basic human rights are not something which can be bargained away for ‘the greater good’. To think they can is just an admission that one thinks women are second class humans.

I would not more vote for a pro-gender ideology party that was good on other stuff, than I would vote for a pro-slavery party that was good on their stuff. Fundamental human rights are, well, fundamental, not ‘nice to haves’.

Look at how unrestrained liberalism ended up in a witch hunt in NZ. What the left increasingly represents is a brutal intolerance of dissenting views and cries of fascism. This can more widely be attributed to any other dissenting view that isn't on the progressive left.

I think women's safety and freedom of speech are pretty essential to a healthy democracy rather than mob rule.

Just say this is your Brexit.

Changing laws, services and building based around the preferences of a small group will affect everyone who doesn’t share those preferences, not just the small group.

Men tend to like privacy and dignity too - they don’t want gender neutral everything (although they have less to fear from the safety aspect).

If a party will lie to your face about something as simple as whether women have penises, how can you trust them about anything else?