escalating violence

@DemiColon They remind me a little of a concept that is found in the Eastern Orthodox Church, called prelest, or "spiritual delusion." This is a kind of very sneaky way that they believe Satan tempts very holy people, by convincing them that some evil idea is in fact good and deeply important. And the conviction that they are on the side of Good, and also that people in general see them as good, makes them extremely dangerous. They are difficult to dissuade, will take extreme measures, and will suck other foolish people in with them.

This is absolutely fascinating, feels 100% nail-on-head amongst some TRSOHers I have encountered, and that people recognised just such a phenomenon centuries ago is just wonderful!

It now means political ideology. Which is homophobic and anti women. The populace is catching on to this fast.

I just wanted to note with this, it's also become part of a political ideology that seems to go well beyond what all people who fall under the LGB+, or even just the the LGB, subscribe to or agree on.

I've watched a few of the main groups in towns and cities I go to, and it's become very weird that they are pushing pretty partisan political idea, which all the active members seem to support. Some are tangential, things like surrogacy, but in other cases it seems totally unrelated, like immigration.

I know that in fact there are a ton of people who could be included in that identity group who do not have those same political opinions.

It's like "Rainbow" has become a whole political ideology which happens to include thinking your sexual identity is a really important part of how you interact in all social situations.

No one said 'dislike trans people' - it was 'dislike trans ideology'. Not the same thing.

Support for LGBT rights - well I'm L, it's not fucking supporting me, it's homophobia on crack. The lie is that it still means LGBT people, it's been the trojan horse because people believe that it's all supporting all LGBT people. It doesn't. It now means political ideology. Which is homophobic and anti women. The populace is catching on to this fast.

The populace is NOT increasingly supportive of battering women and removing child safeguarding.

The counter protestors at KJK and other counter-protestors are made up of both women and men. Look at any still of any footage of counter protestors and you will see plenty of women.

I also don't think it's accurate to say the general population dislike transpeople, especially amongst the younger generations.

I don't see much M/F divide (apparently women are actually more likely to be supportive of transpeople than men are) but there is definitely more support for LGBT rights as time goes on.

They’re becoming more violent because police all over the world have shown that they aren’t willing to enforce any laws against trans people. Even when under political pressure the police issued an arrest warrant for one of the attackers, they still phoned him to tip him off so he could leave the country.

What needs to happen is for a huge number of misogynistic police officers to be fired and replaced with police officers who understand that they are there to enforce the law not make it up when they feel like it. Until then, women-haters will become more and more violent towards women for the simple reason that no one is stopping them.

So true. Not sure how that pp can post as if it’s a good thing.

You're right, the media and politicians are absolutely complicit in allowing TRAs to get out of control.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gbQ9UNPy23g
This is interesting.

The woke are as we know exclusionary and have captured the institutions.

People want have their own world views.

I know since early 2015 when I noted this whole issue I have doubled down on my religion.

It's interesting that those who are contrarians (saying they are the opposite sex) are the ones getting more violent when they have the media and politicial class pushing their world view, rather than the true oppressed rebelling.

The cause of people falling into this state is supposed to be pride, and the remedy, humility.

I'm all for a Humility March..

While I do think there are people involved in this who are essentially misogynists, or are homophobic, I also think it's important not to underestimate the numbers who are truly and deeply convinced they are on the right side of history, protecting the marginalized.

They remind me a little of a concept that is found in the Eastern Orthodox Church, called prelest, or "spiritual delusion." This is a kind of very sneaky way that they believe Satan tempts very holy people, by convincing them that some evil idea is in fact good and deeply important. And the conviction that they are on the side of Good, and also that people in general see them as good, makes them extremely dangerous. They are difficult to dissuade, will take extreme measures, and will suck other foolish people in with them.

The cause of people falling into this state is supposed to be pride, and the remedy, humility.

Well erased from public view. Many lesbian groups have quietly gone underground to escape being harassed for sex and being endlessly lectured on how lady dick will definitely feel different in their mouths than penis. Many of those lesbian groups did initially try welcoming male people with TQ+ identities and found that it made the group untenable for many of the women there. Others really do not appreciate the behaviour they see on social media, in lesbian magazines like Diva, (how to have sex with a penis as a lesbian) and at Pride.

Driving homosexual women back into the closet, making it something you do behind closed doors and keep secret for fear of bullying and hate? It's not progressive is it? One of the women attacked in NZ by the mob was a 72 year old lesbian who'd come out at a time when homophobia was a serious thing: as she was protected by Christian Fundamentalist men (which staggered her somewhat), from the LGTB+ mob (her own people by name....) she realised she'd never experienced hate or abuse like this. Her account is on the radio phone in from last week.

They are erased in the sense that their own definition of themselves as solely being attracted to individuals of the same sex is not allowed, and if they act on that definition, they are called bigots.

It's like a trans writer in the NYT a year or two ago wrote that the wide rewriting of the meaning of common terms such as 'woman' and 'man' are not erasing women as the writer's 'cisgender' wife was still sitting next to the writer.

But now that woman is supposed have an abstract identity not based on her sex, and she is supposed to view her sex as the more privileged part of the new identity-category 'women' where her male spouse is now part of the less privileged sub-class.

In fact, all our embodied identities are being erased!

@PriOn1 I didn't want to quote your entire brilliant post, because quoting long posts in their entirety annoys me hugely. So I just want to say thank you for such a clear argument!

Thank you for the link I will read this later tonight

Maria has written a lot about it on her own blog. You can read her reflections on the case here:

https://www.peaktrans.org/district-judge-kenneth-grant/

Wait what?? She was not kind enough to the violent man who assaulted her? wtf?!

Absolutely- this gender ideology is deeply homophobic and misogynistic

Or alternatively we know there are higher rates of domestic violence and misogyny in Australia and New Zealand so the appalling violence was less unacceptable for them.

I do think we are definitely progressing in this fight and that’s why they have upped their violence. But we women are 50% of the population and this hateful ideology trans is so disliked by the general population. We are winning and they know we are.

Yup @YouJustDoYou my daughter is a lesbian and gets the same. I can’t see the difference between the gender ideologists saying “you just need the right Dick” and the awful blokes down the pub doing it. Apart from the fact saying no to the blokes won’t leave you in danger of losing your job or being bullied for being a “transphobe”.

My little sister is a lesbian and actively has to avoid transwomen and "non-binaries" for her own safety, for this exact reason. She said this one guy who was at least 6'2 (she's even shorter than me at 5'4) came along to one of the lesbian meet ups with his "girl friend" and he proceed to lecture them (the lesbians) on how they were all so prejudiced and bigoted etc etc...They didn't feel safe before. But these men now make them feel even more unsafe. I

t's the same old historical sexual trope of "oh, look, a lesbian - she just needs a penis to know she actual loves being rammed by a male", vomit.

No, it's just incel men being incel men and loving the fact that no one is stopping them from indulging in their violent aggressive delights.

Well lesbians refusing to date males is apartheid so why not. If the gender ideologists can make offensive comparisons, I don’t see what we GC people can’t. Equal rights right?

If we borrow from the trans activists, can't we say it's a "genocide"?

Well, they kind of are. The head of stonewall claimed lesbians refusing to sleep,with transwomen. (Males), are sexual racists and it is akin to apartheid. That seems like coercive rape and conversion therapy to me, how about you? Lesbians are being kicked out of pride for refusing to say males can be lesbians and therefore welcome in their groups. That seems like lesbophobia and homophobia to me. What about you? Veronica
ivy, a prominent trabs activist, told lesbians they should “get over their genital preferences and date males if those males identified as women ”. That seems like homophobia to me, what about to you?

Homosexuals are homosexuals regardless if transpeople exist or not. They aren't being "erased" from existence.