Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights

The second adult should read female of course.

This is a worldwide phenomena and nothing at all to do with the Tories.

“I think there is a fear that somehow there could be the rolling back of some of the things that have been won. There are still many battles that need to go ahead for women and I don’t think we should roll anything back. I think we should go on to win the next battles for women. And that is a very important sort of starting point for this debate.”

He is not really keeping up, is he? The rolling back is in full swing. Either he is totally ignorant, or he thinks we are. Neither are a good look for him.

Woman = adult human intelligent adult

It's the "of course" bit of his statement that annoys me ("Of course they haven't got a penis")

He cant pretend to be so so sure and cavalier after he stuttered and declared it was wrong to say only women have a cervix. It shows a lack of authenticity.

Really not impressed. He would have done better to have shown growth rather than pretend he's always thought that.

Denying women's reality isn't better though.

Unless you believe fundamentally that biological females are of less value than biological males.

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He isn't going to pretend the 0.1% "don't exist in some way".

So just say that gender dysphoria is a real thing, and that people should be helped, but that you can't identify your way into being a woman?

I guess he thinks he has a "sensible compromise" by echoing trans activist rhetoric: it's bad to deny their existence.

0.01% of women who are TW are in charge of biological women. That's what he thinks, which is no different to last week, month, year.

Oh and he thinks we will accept that, nothing to see here and move on happily in the knowledge that he has our back.

Right.

I don’t get how we have these threads saying he’s saying something new.

Not having a go at op I think Starmer is trying to look like he is saying something new.

But if 0.01% of women have a penis then we haven’t moved on. They’re in a female prison and sports etc

So there are .01% of women for whom it is not biological and they do have penises?

Women's rights will not be upheld by a Labour government and nor will single sex spaces and services because there will be 'special' women who are not biological and have penises that will be allowed access.

He's just stating whats going on, but not demonstrating that understands the problems, or as come up with any solution.

Yes, we understand that a group of men believe that they are women, and we know the state has given some of those men female birth certificates (a known number) and passports (a number no-one has bothered to record).

But what does that mean for SSE? When a changing has woman on the door, who gets to go in? Is it just the 99.9% of women who are women because of sex, does it include the ones with GRC, the ones with a passport, or any man whos wearing a wrap dress?

And what does that mean for safeguarding and privacy?

I really would recommend finding the 'webchat' he did right here on MN when the leadership race took place.

It was very plain right there and then what he thought about women and what interest he had in their lives or anything they had to say. And that the man could not lie straight in bed, never mind honestly answer a question.

The fact he has just discovered he might actually need the group he has zero respect for or interest in and is perfectly happy to see abused, harmed, raped in prisons, excluded from refuges and left in life threatening relationships, unable to equally access health care yada yada, must be getting right up his superior little nose. But he will do nothing more than make a few head patting noises in their direction, and only for as long as it takes to use them for his purpose.

The webchats are useful things, you get a measure of a politician extremely quickly.

The left the left, do people really think the right care about women? Look at the fucking state of women’s right now, that’s all the Tories doing.

but I still won’t vote Labour

bahhh

He desperately wants the woman issue to go away

But he can’t override his beliefs or those of his party

99.9% is a gender lie. He hasn’t changed anything.

It's quite remarkable that he's admitted that while Labour regards 99.9% of women as female, the .1% "with penises" still somehow hold their policies to ransom.

How did this happen? Why can't he tell the .1% pretenders to look for support elsewhere?

It would be interesting to find out who is actually in control of Labour's stance here, and how they manage to maintain it.

Politely, I disagree. It isn't a start.

Starmer is just demonstrating, yet again, he thinks women are stupid enough and low value enough that he can manipulate and soothingly head pat them while fixing male supremacism into law to harm them. But it won't matter, because only women.

Even if the Labour defending libfems are telling women it's All Better Now, it isn't. The left is going to have to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up by new people with the capacity to regard women as equally human before I will trust them further than I can spit.

Good! We've been waiting for this and it's good to see that it's starting.

TRAs have rejected Labour, so he doesn't need to worry about upsetting them now, particularly as they're showing themselves to be a liability with their violent intolerance.

I expect Labour to move even further back and I would hope (ha!) that questions are also asked of the other political parties. So far, only UKIP, the SDP and the Communists can be considered GC.

It's a start.

But it's not enough.

The problem is that the LP are on record committing to self id and some pretty misogynistic quotes from leading members within the PLP.

The continued treatment of Rosie is a massive red flag, including his unwillingness to be seen with her today in Kent.

He needs to learn quickly that there isn't a middle ground here. Trying to find one means alienating everyone.

Ultimately a decision needs to be made. If he wants to be asked to form the next govt he needs to read the room and realise he's going to have to piss some people off.

They have more rights, they have cops all over the world laughing at us Billboard Chris in Canada. The PM of NZ wants to jojn in punchjng women. They they killed little children along with mutulating and sterilising them and Biden pulls a DARVO, cops walk away in Speakers corner.

Labour ignored Rosie today they cam fick off bending the knee to terrorists, ny sympathy with with the victims and their families.

This happens in more circumstances than the Trans issue, it's standard attitude, trans just exposed the corruption in charities, the NHS, education, politics and the police - that is causing this civilisation collapse.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1642168209745772544?cxt=HHwWgICwtajSk8otAAAA

https://mobile.twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1642242898057113600?cxt=HHwWgMDR2d_NtcotAAAA

Although most of the Times comments have spotted the slipperiness of this 99.9% claim, there are a few along the lines of “good, that clears that up”. This is the response Starmer is hoping for from the “Stevenage women” who, we are told, are not engaged with politics in general and who haven’t noticed what a weasel he is.

Nope. He's still skirting round the topic. He's still including men in his definition of a woman. No 99.9% shit Kier. Admit men aren't and can't be women then we can talk.

He’s blown it with me. Had the opportunity, threw it away. Life long labour supporter.

Too late mate. You can't unsay what you said - political opportunist.

Suspend LRM Starmer .

Yeah,no,I don't think so.

Off you jolly well fuck Mr Starmer.

So he's moved on a tiny bit from this 'must remember to repeat the approved phrases that I've been told is acceptable' non answer from a year ago linked below (I can't watch it without cringing), but not much?

From the article :

So has Starmer managed to work out a better answer yet?

That'll be a no, then, as far as I can tell.

ITV News Politics March 31st 2022