Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights

I want to vote Labour but how can I? This is so duplicitous. I think he knows clued up GC women will see this for what it is. But the intention is to dupe those women who are concerned, but not really across the detail, with the right mood music. It is somewhat clear that once he’s elected, keeping his party united (and in particular keeping happy the misogynistic Momentum bros who it seems would enjoy screwing women over now they’re being forced by the leadership to leave Jewish people alone) will be more important than keeping women happy - it’s another 5 years to the election when he needs our votes again.

As if Tories give a fuck about women's rights 😂.

They are just much cleverer at reading the landscape and don't have so many woolly liberals (of which I have been) in their midst. It's complex as a liberal as usually we back the underdog, the excluded and the minorities. Obviously this issue is more complex as there are two underdog groups at play. The Tories don't give a toss as long as they keep their majority. They will win at culture wars.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/01/stevenage-woman-vital-to-labour-success-at-next-election-analysts-say

Of course there’s no connection between this analysis and the change in language…. Hmm.

What’s to stop them from saying what’s needed to woo the Stevenage women and then changing their mind again once they win the election?

I took that to mean “of course the 99.9% of biological women don’t have penises!”
and leaving the main point “but the 0.01 of non biological women do!” unsaid.

He was not saying “ALL women do not have penises”. So no change from what he said before.

It's a massive no from me. He's trying to get out of a political hole. I don't trust him and I don't believe him.

This has just been discussed in the press preview on Sky News. Jake Wallis Simons speaking for the many, not the few. The language is shifting back to terms like "sex you were born". Fingers crossed that common sense is returning.

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Why does Kier Starmer think it's okay to patronise women like this? Because that's what he's doing. A blatant piece of mansplaining! 'Poor little women don't understand '. It's unbelievable. Never look down on people you want to vote for you. And don't pat them on the head either, not even metaphorically. It's not a good look.
Yet another previous Labour voter.

So many want the Tories out because they tell lies and can’t be trusted. Yet Labour support an absolute untruth and still can’t be trusted on their position re either supporting female rights or trans womens rights. This is basic stuff.

In which spin doctor's alternative reality is "99.9% of women do not have a penis" different from "not all women have a cervix"?

34,000 lady penises in the UK, Keir?

That's a lot of girldick.

So you're telling me that 0.1% of women have penises, Keir. Don't be such a silly chump.

I'm a lifelong left-wing voter. I want the Tories out and Labour in. That's good enough for me 😀 there's other things to consider when choosing the leadership for the next 5 years.

Yeah, anyone saying that they believe in safe spaces for women, it's kind of ambiguous these days if that includes people with a penis, or even a full beard.

Can someone who’s happy about this say more on why

If 0.01% are still women then they get to be in women’s spaces.

I’m not sure he’s budged at all

So that's how he's trying to woo Stevenage Woman? By weaselling saying 0.1% of women have a penis?

I'm not entirely sure it's a winning strategy.

Whilst many politicians and Trans activists including women think us as worthless. I have taken heart that many ordinary men, don't hate us, they think what's happening is a disgrace and are speaking up for us.

Yes, I had the same thought.

What makes me so angry is all the bullshit of “a toxic debate on both sides”. Women spent god knows how many years trying to have a debate, just trying to speak opening ly about our concerns (all of which have been proved to be legitimate) and we were told by many including Labour to Shut The Fuck Up, You Bigots.

Until Starmer apologies for this I don’t want to listen to what he’s got to say.

I think we should go on to win the next battles for women. And that is a very important sort of starting point for this debate

Its 2023, why do women have any battles to fight?

We should be in our rightful place, with single sex whatever we require. We are 51% of the population but treated like we do not matter. Treated like dogs in fact, no actually treated worse than dogs.

But by now for certain we should have no real battles. It's a sign of how lowly we are thought of. By all political parties.

Lost me at 99.9 per cent Keir
Must do better

Still don’t trust he has women’s best interests at heart but I’m glad he didn’t throw JK Rowling under the bus. Saying he respects her position is enough to get him in the militant TRAs’ bad books. Pity he didn’t go further and condemn the awful threats and abuse she has suffered as a result of speaking up for women’s rights.

He also needs to stand up for Rosie Duffield and put that dreadful screeching Lloyd Russell Moyle back in his box. Then maybe I’d start to trust him, but I won’t hold my breath.

I do think it is a slight shift of the Overton Window.

I hope it means that when push comes to shove (and we need to make sure it does) he would say no to males in sport, and to rapists in female prisons.

Which is a very long way from where I want to be. BUT I would be pleased to take those as a given, and move on to no men at all in female prisons, no male patients in female wards, no female prison officers forced to strip search men, no strips searches of women by males, being allowed to request same sex care, etc.

I am curious about this - can you explain what the Tories have done /are doing to women's rights?
I am talking about explicit women's rights, not just general issues like cost-of-living, childcare, etc. that affect women more than men.

Is this the same Kier who visited Kent today without bothering to mention it to his only Kent MP (Rosie Duffield)?

Until he endorses Rosie’s views and stamps out the harassment of her from within the party, it will be hard to take his “u turn” with any seriousness.