They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...

In thousand of years when their birth certificate is long reduced to dust, scientists studying his bones will still be able to tell what sex he was.

Excellent point.

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

I cannot imagine though the effort some people go through to prove some kind of point. Creating a non self lubricating cavity that needs constant attention for the rest of someone’s life just to be considered not a male???

I cannot imagine the geriatric care these patients will require.

If he ever went through male puberty he is a male. If he wants to be a plural, fair enough, he can call himself whatever the hell he likes but i am not being made to lie to suit him.

Why aren’t these people just told “no”?

Oh fuck off back to California.

Meant to add this quote from the judge.

"From the appellant’s point of view, the offence and bother of having to declare yourself a gender you have never been is just intolerable... it must have been."

I don't know if this is the same case as the article doesn't say anything about surgery.
But this Californian wants to change British law and make non-binary a legal gender and is pursuing a high court case.

The judge sounds sympathetic, no doubt thoroughly in thrall to stonewall. We can only hope this case fails.

Archive link from the Telegraph

archive.ph/2023.04.01-075841/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/31/non-binary-legal-gender-recogniiton-uk-high-court-challenge/

It takes a very special case of arrogance to be so obsessed about what other people are going to write and read on your death certificate - mainly only for a few months, whilst your affairs are sorted, before being filed away and largely unviewed again.

A bit like the whole pronoun thing, with the demands of how other people should refer to you when you are not present.

I'd understand a bit more if there was the prospect of some kind of insult or slur being put on the perpetual public record of your death - maybe if, say, it was the done thing to record details of crimes that you had been accused of committing during your life, and you'd been commonly believed to have done something bad of which you vehemently protested your innocence - but 'male' and 'female' are in no way insults or marks of shame: they are just standard descriptive terms that boringly signify a biological fact, and which every single person has one of.

They want to keep their cake/penis and eat the cherry on the top don't they?

These are the cases that I want to have maximum publicity.

I can't believe how mean people are being in doubting this poor person's assertions. All they need to do is gestate and then give birth to a baby through their 'fully functioning hole' and then that'll teach all the bigots, won't it....

Would it also have worked the other way, if a biological female had kept all of her physical attributes, but also had a sausage sewn on to her body? Would that count as a 'fully functioning penis'? Or would it have been claimed as a 'fully functioning pokey-stick-thing', which is more like the equivalent of what has been claimed in this case?

This is all so obviously rooted in deep-seated misogyny: when 'woman' is defined as nothing more than somebody with a 'hole' (with the obvious implication that the only purpose and importance of that 'hole' is for the use of men), it tells you a great deal about what that person making this 'definition' really thinks about women and how 'femaleness' is nothing more than a fetish to them.

So it's a man who can atrificially receive a thrusting penis without damaging his rectum and anal sphincter?

And that makes him womanly in some way?

Oh for fucks sake! This is all getting ridiculous. Are other countries like ours or are we the laughing stock of the world! It is attention seeking from someone that clearly needs help from professionals but not a surgeon! Yes we should be accepting of all sexual orientations and not project hate but it’s too much now. I can’t pretend to even understand the they or them argument and I’m not going to even bother. I have too much shit going on in my own life to tread on eggshells with these precious people crying for attention

How is the "cavity" fully functioning? Is it meant to be a vagina?

The narcissism has now spread to after death it’s unfathomably ego centric

I’m imagining their funeral and all those people horrified about what box was ticked on the death certificate, or framing it on the wall if the ‘right’ box was ticked

This fully functioning hole….in all seriousness what is actually meant by that term? I’m presuming they mean it isn’t just a weeping wound and therefore can be penetrated? Is that the function they mean?

God, if that’s the case….holes are functional because they enable penetration only, it’s full misogyny.

I remember Germaine Greer once talking about smelly hairy vaginas, I was a bit ewwww at the time but god she is so right…we all know this as women - yet here it is reduced to a ‘clean hole’ for penetration and that js its full function.

I see there's more info in the About section of the crowd funder.

Apparently it's legally complicated and not obvious which court it should be heard in, so they've applied to three courts.

And yes, it seems to be about whether someone legally recognised as a third option in a foreign country should be recognised as that option when in the UK.

As usual, conflating male/female used to describe sex with male/female used to describe gender. Not helped by the fact the GRA uses the word gender.

I wonder why it's in the Family Court. Interesting because this is the court the Fox Killer used to get 1 trans child medication when the courts had ruled on Gillick competence. Are they trying the first step process to then go to other courts? I believe Family court decisions are non binding on other courts but whether they can be taken into consideration is another matter. The Judge in the Fox Killer case made it very clear that his decision in no way could be used in other cases.

Yes.

This case is different though as it involves the UK recognising someone having changed their gender under the law of an approved country or territory outside the UK.

Since this claim was issued Kemi Badenoch made a written ministerial statement setting out the Government’s plans to update the list of approved countries and territories under the GRA, and it is expected that this would end reciprocal recognition for trans people from most territories in the US, and countries such as Canada and New Zealand.

officialdom just needs to put its big girl pants on and start saying no to these whack jobs

how you feel inside and the surgery you've had are interesting to you but completely irrelevant to your sex

the end

Given the date, I wondered if this might be an April Fool. I am still unsure, but the crowdfunder pre dates 1 April so maybe not.

Actually I've now read their CrowdJustice page and they wants a Gender Reassignment Certificate issued for the category of non-binary.

Interesting implications if they were to win, as official forms only have male/female options. Would the govt have to introduce a third category when collecting data or would it just appear on the GRC with no further legal weight? Didn't someone bring a similar case about getting NB on their passport? Which failed.

Haven't raised much at the moment (aiming for £100k) but maybe that will pick up with the publicity.

And who the fuck should have their ‘gender’ recorded when they die. Sex. As per unchangeable fact. Now if they demanded an additional gender field added for options, fine. I suspect in the distant future that people will not give a damn about that because there will be either a gazillion genders and it will be deemed as irrelevant to be on a death certificate or there will be no genders and it will be seen as an archaic trend that will be deemed as irrelevant to be on a death certificate.

Either way, it has yet to be proven that gender is unchanged during a lifetime, and proven as being important enough to be used as identification on a death certificate.