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They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...

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aweegc · 01/04/2023 07:48

I don't want to link to the article (DM) or write this person's name as I'm sure they're keeping an eye everywhere.

Basically there's a case reported in the U.K. family courts with someone who kept male genitalia and had surgery to create a "fully functioning" cavity. Person wants to legally be recognised as non binary because they feel a bit male and a bit female.

I'd like to know if this person can define what "woman feelings" are and how they're different from "man feelings". I'd also like to be reassured that this person isn't bringing a transphobic case by reducing identity to genitals.

And I'd like to know why this even ended up in court in the first place. If I feel a little bit cat-like and get one surgically altered to be like a fully functioning cat ear, or get my fingers amputated on one hand to make it like a "fully functioning" paw, can I be legally recognised by my new semi-feline gender?

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ReunitedThorns · 01/04/2023 11:43

It's April Fool's Day today, unfortunately most trans stories like this, no matter how ridiculous they seem aren't a joke.

TheSandgroper · 01/04/2023 11:17

Elaine Miller talks on YouTube on various occasions about the difference between elderly/dementia residents who are gay vs trans and it is deeply saddening.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 11:07

I don’t see how the legal system can take this seriously. A certain T person failed In attempts to be named as the “father” on her child’s birth certificate. Quite rightly.

It's all about them, isn't it? Not a single thought for their child who would then officially have no mother. So arrogant, considering that neither the mother nor the father nor any other adult is the subject of, and reason for, a birth certificate.

Anybody questioning it, asking "But who gave birth to you?" and being told by a very confused child "My dad (but not that dad)" - some people just seem incapable of thinking of anybody else at all, as long as they can centre themselves in everything, it's all just grand.

FrancescaContini · 01/04/2023 10:52

I don’t see how the legal system can take this seriously. A certain T person failed In attempts to be named as the “father” on her child’s birth certificate. Quite rightly.

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 10:49

And why the hell are the legal system taking this seriously??

And we, the British taxpayer end up paying for huge chunks of court time, let alone if he actually succeeds in forcing the UK government to change established legislation🙄

He's got a crowdfunder you say? Meanwhile who is supporting his legal fees to date?

In a week when Helen Webberly has won her appeal I feel anxious about these judges who have been rainbow washed by stonewall.

thegrain · 01/04/2023 10:41

YouJustDoYou · 01/04/2023 10:11

Well, you know how men loves holes. They just want a nice open cavity to ram penis in.

I'm a bit sad that some people just think my vagina is a cavity!

FrancescaContini · 01/04/2023 10:29

What?? Why has a surgeon indulged this? It smacks of serious self harm / fetish about being a blow-up “sex doll”.

MenopauseSucks · 01/04/2023 10:27

Again I apologise for the picture & I hope I haven't offended anyone but I find this fascinating.

And why the hell are the legal system taking this seriously??

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 10:25

Kernackered · 01/04/2023 09:46

Surely if he wanted to both keep his prick AND have a fully functioning hole, they could have just pointed out his arsehole?

😂

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 10:24

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:31

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

Yeah, but they are living their best authentic life! I'm sure their euphoria will see them through to their incontinent senile 80s.

MenopauseSucks · 01/04/2023 10:23

Is there really enough space between the testes & anus to put a hole?

I've just googled the male perineum - fascinating diagrams - and some of the older ones mention an 'internal penis' that plays part of the perineum.

Apologies for the diagram that I'm attaching - from the National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Disease - but I fail to see how a hole can be created whilst there is still a penis?

I suspect he's talking a load of bollocks & if there's ever a case for genital inspection, it's now... It appears to be a medical miracle!

They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...
yetanotherusernameAgain · 01/04/2023 10:15

Yes, it's the same person.

"Legal construction" probably means that their legal documents (Californian birth certificate, US(?) passport) state a category not provided in UK law. So it's an interesting legal tangle on how to square that circle.

Of course the obvious answer is to reiterate that the category records sex (of which there are two) and not gender (of which there are an unquantifiable amount).

YouJustDoYou · 01/04/2023 10:11

thegrain · 01/04/2023 08:44

How is the "cavity" fully functioning? Is it meant to be a vagina?

Well, you know how men loves holes. They just want a nice open cavity to ram penis in.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 10:11

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 08:02

So the ‘woman’ bit is a ‘fuckable hole’.

And they say that that movement is not based on misogyny. All those supporting the prioritisation of gender above sex - can you see it yet? Can you see the end goals of what you are supporting yet?

It's depressing isn't it!

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 09:58

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/04/2023 09:57

What happened to medical ethics anyway?

Exactly. Have they now created body parts that are simply unsustainable and require further complicated surgeries as the patient ages?

How is that ethical?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/04/2023 09:57

What happened to medical ethics anyway?

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 09:56

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:31

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

This is what I imagine Fanny.

Will there need to be geriatric reversal surgeries?

cosmiccosmos · 01/04/2023 09:51

If we had the brightest and the best who were able to think critically this ridiculousness would never have started,

Individuals should have never been allowed to change their birth certificate, you are either observed male or female at birth. If people 'feel' they are something else then they can believe that themselves but official documents should not have been changed. By doing so there is an 'acceptance' of gender. Your birth certificate does not show your gender it shows your sex.

This was really very simple to do but the powers that be have messed it up. It would have saved us all these problems. Here is your bc with your sex, if you want to identify as something else then have an identity vet and you can write what you like in it but I has now legal meaning and does not change your status for official purposes.

In a last note, I have a fully functioning hole, we all do, it's a bum hole. I also have another organ called a vagina that cannot be made, it's specific to adult human females.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/04/2023 09:51

The NB's a confusing suitor
They's masc and fem and sometimes neuter
They asks each day "Now what may come,
Am I husband, wife or chum?"

with apologies to Ogden Nash

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 09:47

"From the appellant’s point of view, the offence and bother of having to declare yourself a gender you have never been is just intolerable... it must have been."

Why is it an offence or bother to have to take a second to state which sex you happen to share with half of the world? If it is such an ordeal, maybe you could have not deliberately messed around with things so that it would still be obvious and nobody would need to ask you in the first place.

Or is this another 'clear' demonstration of 'sex is NOT the same as gender when that suits our case, but sex IS the same as gender when that suits us'?

Kernackered · 01/04/2023 09:46

Surely if he wanted to both keep his prick AND have a fully functioning hole, they could have just pointed out his arsehole?

BreviloquentBastard · 01/04/2023 09:41

How depressing that femininity and womanhood appear to have been reduced to a "cavity" for a penis to go into. And this is considered progressive?

How have we gone backwards so much, so blindly? I'm more than a cavity and a pair of false eyelashes.

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:36

I should have added - of course most of the work will still be done by underpaid women....there are some areas where sex always trumps gender reasons beyond my understanding. 🤔

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