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They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...

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aweegc · 01/04/2023 07:48

I don't want to link to the article (DM) or write this person's name as I'm sure they're keeping an eye everywhere.

Basically there's a case reported in the U.K. family courts with someone who kept male genitalia and had surgery to create a "fully functioning" cavity. Person wants to legally be recognised as non binary because they feel a bit male and a bit female.

I'd like to know if this person can define what "woman feelings" are and how they're different from "man feelings". I'd also like to be reassured that this person isn't bringing a transphobic case by reducing identity to genitals.

And I'd like to know why this even ended up in court in the first place. If I feel a little bit cat-like and get one surgically altered to be like a fully functioning cat ear, or get my fingers amputated on one hand to make it like a "fully functioning" paw, can I be legally recognised by my new semi-feline gender?

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Always4Brenner · 01/04/2023 15:42

MavisMcMinty · 01/04/2023 15:39

Heh, my very first thought on seeing this thread was “what’s wrong with your arsehole?” At least it has a few sexy nerve endings.

Thank you just what I’ve said.

Always4Brenner · 01/04/2023 15:41

xabia · 01/04/2023 08:12

I can't believe a surgeon would commit this atrocity. Creating a wound that will probably need regular dilation with the possibility of infections/sepsis.

exactly and where is this ‘hole’ to go? Let him do anal if he wants.

MavisMcMinty · 01/04/2023 15:39

Heh, my very first thought on seeing this thread was “what’s wrong with your arsehole?” At least it has a few sexy nerve endings.

WarningToTheCurious · 01/04/2023 15:37

MavisMcMinty · 01/04/2023 15:26

Having seen the diagram helpfully posted on an earlier page of this thread, I too am very curious to know exactly where this “fully-functioning hole” could be.

I suspect that if confronted with the reality, there wouldn’t be enough brain bleach in the entire universe to unsee it.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 15:29

MavisMcMinty · 01/04/2023 15:26

Having seen the diagram helpfully posted on an earlier page of this thread, I too am very curious to know exactly where this “fully-functioning hole” could be.

I'm beginning to wonder if he was conned. Someone took his money, knocked him out for a couple of hours and on awaking persuaded him his arsehole was now a vagina?

MavisMcMinty · 01/04/2023 15:26

Having seen the diagram helpfully posted on an earlier page of this thread, I too am very curious to know exactly where this “fully-functioning hole” could be.

Imashamediknowthis · 01/04/2023 15:20

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 14:19

Sometimes you think I'll just click on this link, I mean how bad can it be!?!

Sigh.

Some people need to find a hobby that doesn't involve "me me me me me and only me".

I despair of the human race!

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It reminds me of being at 6th form college and listening to tedious 'alternative' types going on and on and onnnnnnn about the body mods they were going to get when they had the cash, and how cool and unique they would be once they finally got their bumhole pierced.

TheSandgroper · 01/04/2023 15:03

What @Boiledbeetle said but more … something.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 14:19

Imashamediknowthis · 01/04/2023 10:38

Sadly this is a whole thing and there are lunatics playing playdough with their genitals and surgeons who enable them.

Front page safe, be careful clicking thread links

Sometimes you think I'll just click on this link, I mean how bad can it be!?!

Sigh.

Some people need to find a hobby that doesn't involve "me me me me me and only me".

I despair of the human race!

WarningToTheCurious · 01/04/2023 14:16

Florissante · 01/04/2023 14:13

"Fully functioning"

April fool.

I wish.

There are some good responses on this Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1642054736391073793?s=46&t=fMjCB4vFfh_N6mYE72mhHw

Amazing how many people are blocked from they themself’s Twitter despite never having heard of they themself before.

Florissante · 01/04/2023 14:13

"Fully functioning"

April fool.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 14:12

That vagina is a dead end, a cul de sac, a blind alley, a ginnel that leads nowhere.

Hence their use of the word 'hole' rather than vagina. It has all the functions that that kind of misogynist can possibly think might matter. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if some of them see their 'hole' as superior to a vagina, because it enables all of the 'fun' stuff without all of the less-fun things that come with having a normal female one.

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 14:07

i do remember reading about the nullification operations as well. It is grim that people feel that this is a healthy choice.

Justme56 · 01/04/2023 13:45

I remember seeing this in the wpath guide under non binary. Looks like a shopping list of alternatives from nulification, to creating a cavity whilst maintaining a penis, to creating a cavity whilst keeping the testicles. I think whatever isn’t wanted creates the cavity. I think surgeons will do whatever people ask as long as they get paid.

viques · 01/04/2023 13:44

That vagina is a dead end, a cul de sac, a blind alley, a ginnel that leads nowhere. There is no uterus pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

Chromosomes on the other hand, just do what it says on the tin.

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aweegc · 01/04/2023 13:42

Madamecastafiore · 01/04/2023 13:31

Fully functioning cavity 🙄. Does he have the ability to push a baby out of that cavity or is he just the proud owner of another hole?

"Fully functioning" presumably means a penis can be pushed in.

Because a vagina has no other purpose.

Obviously. 😐

I really thought this case was an April Fool's this morning when I first read about it.

I reckon the judge will rule in they's favour, pushing it in the government to appeal and another judge to hear the appeal? Although. I seem to remember that in family courts it's the same judge for appeals? Or have I misremembered that?

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thegrain · 01/04/2023 13:41

I'm going to check out Elaine Miller. It's something I hadn't thought of before. Thanks all. Very interesting.

TheSandgroper · 01/04/2023 13:38

Further to my post above, Elaine Miller talks of gay residents always knowing they are gay.

Then come trans residents.

  • “Why are you calling me John? My name is Mary”. Because your Gender Recognition Certificate says your name is John and that’s what the law says we must call you.
  • “Why do you keep dressing me in jeans and trousers? Where are all my dresses?”
I paraphrase but Elaine speaks of good, patient centred care vs ticking legal boxes.
FannyCann · 01/04/2023 13:37

Hard luck @cheshirecatssmile but 20 years might just be ahead of the curve for many transitioners.

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 13:35

thegrain · 01/04/2023 12:51

If someone who was identified as male and then decides to be a woman has dementia and forgets they've decided to be a woman and ends up in a care home do the staff have to treat them as a woman anyway? Otherwise they'd be calling them the wrong name etc.

I believe there are papers out there saying how the person with dementia gets confused about wearing wrong sex clothes and can become angry/frustrated when they are "misgendered" - that is treated as per the gender they had chosen before they developed dementia rather than their birth sex.
Iirc I think that might be something Elaine Miller discusses.

Madamecastafiore · 01/04/2023 13:31

Fully functioning cavity 🙄. Does he have the ability to push a baby out of that cavity or is he just the proud owner of another hole?

cheshirecatssmile · 01/04/2023 12:59

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:31

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

I've got approx another 20 yrs in nursing before I retire.
I'm a dementia nurse and this post describes all my fears for the future.

thegrain · 01/04/2023 12:51

If someone who was identified as male and then decides to be a woman has dementia and forgets they've decided to be a woman and ends up in a care home do the staff have to treat them as a woman anyway? Otherwise they'd be calling them the wrong name etc.

thegrain · 01/04/2023 12:46

TheSandgroper · 01/04/2023 11:17

Elaine Miller talks on YouTube on various occasions about the difference between elderly/dementia residents who are gay vs trans and it is deeply saddening.

Interesting I'd never thought of that

Maedan · 01/04/2023 12:34

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:31

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

Due to these awful procedures the vast majority of them won't make it to needing geriatric care 😔

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