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They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...

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aweegc · 01/04/2023 07:48

I don't want to link to the article (DM) or write this person's name as I'm sure they're keeping an eye everywhere.

Basically there's a case reported in the U.K. family courts with someone who kept male genitalia and had surgery to create a "fully functioning" cavity. Person wants to legally be recognised as non binary because they feel a bit male and a bit female.

I'd like to know if this person can define what "woman feelings" are and how they're different from "man feelings". I'd also like to be reassured that this person isn't bringing a transphobic case by reducing identity to genitals.

And I'd like to know why this even ended up in court in the first place. If I feel a little bit cat-like and get one surgically altered to be like a fully functioning cat ear, or get my fingers amputated on one hand to make it like a "fully functioning" paw, can I be legally recognised by my new semi-feline gender?

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/04/2023 10:30

This is like advertising for sale a 'fully functioning car' - meaning that you can open the doors and sit inside - but then believing the potential purchasers to be simply quite mad when they ask about an engine, and even more bonkers when they come out with the bizarre expectation that they'd be able to make it move, as if that would possibly be a basic function of a standard car.

Don't be ridiculous: it's FULLY functioning, which clearly means that it's.... not really functioning at all except on a superficial level.

PatatiPatatras · 01/04/2023 23:19

Fully functioning cavity? Mouth, ear, eye socket, gums?
There are a few non lubricating cavities...

Davros · 01/04/2023 20:46

I was in the Vulva clinic this week. I wonder what the excellent doctor, who is down the stirrup end having a really close look and it's on camera, would make of one of these. I reckon she'd be checking her breakfast mushrooms

Faffertea · 01/04/2023 20:16

This anatomical drawing shows the structures of the female pelvic floor with nerves represented in yellow.

They is suing the U.K. government to become neither male nor female after op to create cavity...
Faffertea · 01/04/2023 20:13

There is no record of sex or gender on a death certificate in the U.K. so presumably they mean whether they are registered as m/f when they die. Which is historical data and used to recognise trends and inform public policy.

The vagina is intrinsically linked through its neural pathways to the uterus and vulva. Any woman who’s had a period, had an orgasm or given birth vaginally knows that. Which is why these men think a surgically created hole is equivalent. They have no idea.

ArcaneWireless · 01/04/2023 19:55

Fully functioning hole?

One could posit the notion that they mean shite comes out of this new one as well, given that it is happening with the two holes they already have.

Florissante · 01/04/2023 19:33

It's not "fully functioning". It's not able to stretch, it's not self-cleaning and it doesn't self-lubricate. It's a surgically created hole that needs dilating or it will heal over.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 01/04/2023 19:19

This is from 2020 and so this has been happening for a while. A fully functional vagina created by using a scrotal skin graft, imagine that if you dare.

https://www.mtfsurgery.net/non-binary-surgery.htm

Penile-Preserving Vaginoplasty
For some individuals, preservation of the penis is desired, while also creating a fully functional vagina. With Penile-Preserving Vaginoplasty, the vagina can be created using a scrotal or other skin graft, or peritoneal tissue.

Non-Binary Options For Bottom Surgery

There's an increasing number of Gender Surgeons who offer individualized treatment options for non-binary people seeking bottom surgery.

https://www.mtfsurgery.net/non-binary-surgery.htm

viques · 01/04/2023 19:05

crosstalk · 01/04/2023 17:46

I call April Fool. There is no way there is room to keep male kit and rectum and insert a pseudo vaginal hole in the perineum.

One of the words I wish I hadn’t read was “ pergina”.

Annaissleeping · 01/04/2023 18:58

People talk about old age but I very much doubt many people like this will reach old age. Surely they will get complications before then and die of sepsis or complications from repeated UTI's, depending on what kind of surgery they've had? The body isn't meant to be messed around with like this and these people are taking a huge risk.

There is a trans woman called Ruby Fiera who sets up lots of account on TikTok and despite initial complications, this individual seems to have had a period of time working quite 'happily' (ahem) as a sex worker. They have then recently been in hospital with serious infections and sepsis and that was just from their breast implants, which isn't as risky an addition to the male body as genital alterations. Travel 20-30 years down the line and there are going to be a lot of people who've been through these surgeries dying of complications. It's such a mess.

scramblescrabble · 01/04/2023 18:10

@crosstalk

Taken from the Reddit forum of the same name: 'Salmacian is an altersex identity defined by having a desire for a mixed genital set. It can also be referred to as "bigenital", with the most common presentation being a desire for both a penis and a vagina.'

scramblescrabble · 01/04/2023 18:08

crosstalk · 01/04/2023 17:46

I call April Fool. There is no way there is room to keep male kit and rectum and insert a pseudo vaginal hole in the perineum.

No, not an April's Fool, all the pity. The article in question was posted a few days ago too.

The term for this kind of whatever it is is Salmacian - it's an alt-sex identity, something I hadn't heard of until today, and tbh, wish I had remained ignorant

crosstalk · 01/04/2023 17:46

I call April Fool. There is no way there is room to keep male kit and rectum and insert a pseudo vaginal hole in the perineum.

Redebs · 01/04/2023 17:44

aweegc · 01/04/2023 09:19

Sounds like the same person. They had surgery previously to create a "vagina" so their body aligns with their gender identity of not having a gender...

Surely, if anything, they should be "bigender" not gender nonbinary?

Ooh? Have I just created the eleventy-billion-and-oneth gender?!

'Bigender' sounds like Swift's egg war in Gulliver's Travels

Redebs · 01/04/2023 17:38

They is a non-menstruating cavity-haver.

thegrain · 01/04/2023 17:34

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 16:37

Remember that this 'hole' is most likely constructed with intestines to with all the complications that go with that.

I'm going to have to find a diagram

thegrain · 01/04/2023 17:18

SmartHome · 01/04/2023 17:05

Do they keep the bollocks?

What in a jar?!

Justme56 · 01/04/2023 17:13

Part of me wonders what has happened to this person in their past life to do this to themselves.

SmartHome · 01/04/2023 17:05

Do they keep the bollocks?

scramblescrabble · 01/04/2023 17:04

viques · 01/04/2023 16:50

Ok, I confess, I followed through and found someone’s post op pictures. Not quite what I expected, a lot more shifting of stuff around and joining bits up. But it was an ugly and uncomfortable looking mess at the end, and I think anyone voluntarily choosing to do it has greater problems with what is between their ears rather than what is between their bum and their balls.

I found some pictures too. Not quite what I imagined but to be fair, am not sure what I expected. Agree that it's an ugly and uncomfortable looking mess in the end. (Was also surprised by how small all the men's phalluses were, but that's a whole other topic).

Am disgusted that there are surgeons who will perform this kind of modification. Except it's not really modification, it's brutalisation and experimentation. Am sure some will argue that it is better an actual doctor performs surgery like this than a layman, which has happened in a few instances, particularly with regards to nullification. But this kind of surgery has no merit or value, again, I know some will argue to the contrary, but there is no long-term study of what the repercussions are. I guess that's the power of money - they can charge stupidly high fees for this, when really I think the money would be far better spent on psychological care.

SmartHome · 01/04/2023 17:00

Surely there is not enough space to put a cavity big enough to accommodate a male erect penis that is being thrust in and out vigourously, which is presumably the end goal here? That sounds incredibly likely to end in some sort of rupture.

viques · 01/04/2023 16:50

Ok, I confess, I followed through and found someone’s post op pictures. Not quite what I expected, a lot more shifting of stuff around and joining bits up. But it was an ugly and uncomfortable looking mess at the end, and I think anyone voluntarily choosing to do it has greater problems with what is between their ears rather than what is between their bum and their balls.

Helleofabore · 01/04/2023 16:37

Remember that this 'hole' is most likely constructed with intestines to with all the complications that go with that.

Always4Brenner · 01/04/2023 15:51

FannyCann · 01/04/2023 09:31

Working in geriatric care will be hell in years to come @Helleofabore
People with sagging bits of silicone in various areas, festering old wounds, fetishists demanding that their personal care includes regular dilations, people with dementia who have forgotten they changed sex and are even more confused, rampant incontinence due to all the failed genital surgeries and even more osteoporosis from all the poor young women who went through menopause before they'd even gone through puberty.

Glad I won't be around for it.

So true and trying to find a partner without modification will be a nightmare. You won’t be able to tell just by looking anymore. So glad I’m too old now for this crap.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 15:46

Can't you just tell we have all had enough of this shit!

awkward fuck my life GIF
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