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'Trans Day of Vengeance' protest continues as planned following Nashville shooting

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IwantToRetire · 30/03/2023 01:06

Critics are questioning a transgender activist group's upcoming "Trans Day of Vengeance" protest, which is expected to go on as planned despite coming just days after a trans person walked into a Tennessee Christian school and killed six people, including three children.

Despite pushback, including Twitter removing social media posts promoting the event, it appears the "Trans Day of Vengeance" event is still slated for Saturday morning in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, D.C.

The event is being organized by the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN), which informed The National Desk (TND) it would not comment beyond a press release shared by the organization on its website.

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/trans-day-of-vengeance-protest-continues-as-planned-following-nashville-shooting-trans-radical-activist-network-the-covenant-school

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Thelnebriati · 30/03/2023 14:49

Orwell missed a Newspeak trick there. "Vengeance" as a synonym for initiating conflict for your own amusement.

Anyone that has to to be told that a gun club and firearms training is bad optics around this issue is a bad faith actor.
Just imagine the potential for trouble if our lot tried a stunt like this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2023 14:48

2,000+ people made a lot of noise and someone threw soup on KJK. I wouldn't describe this as "terrorism".

Have you actually seen any of the videos or listened to other women who were there? It was a frenzied mob.

MoltenLasagne · 30/03/2023 14:47

Honestly, I think twitter had the right idea by trying to take down these posts. Preventing the promotion of these truly insane protests is the only logical thing to do. Have you seen the photos of TW posing with assault rifles? This has the potential to be a complete tinderbox.

Brefugee · 30/03/2023 14:46

oh i completely agree, but when I am in fully exasperated-rage-mode i just want some big bloke with a bigger beard to smash one of those smug fuckers right in the face.

Which is pretty much considering my usual stance on violence!

VitaminX · 30/03/2023 14:43

No, it would just provide grist to the mill. They say everyone's out to harm them and then a bunch of guys turn up to harm them? It would be horrible all round. They already say we're in league with Nazis and we want right-wing men to beat them up. It wouldn't change the narrative one bit and it would also be awful.

KohlaParasaurus · 30/03/2023 14:41

Orwell missed a Newspeak trick there. "Vengeance" as a synonym for initiating conflict for your own amusement.

Brefugee · 30/03/2023 14:38

As an American, I know how enamored many far right Christian men are with "righteous" violence, and they are really upset with the recent attack on Christian children.

tbh, while i don't think violence is ever the answer except in self-defence, and then only as much as is needed, i do wonder if a load of far right Christian men jumped in and pounded a few sparkly-bedressed blue-haired beardy-types in lipstic - it might provoke some reaction that may drive things in a different direction? If it is men protesting these TRAs rather than a few grey-haired-lezzers or a small blonde woman getting tomato soup dumped on her for being a literal-nazi, it might make different headlines?

especially if aforementioned beardy-lipstick-bloke fought back?

I don't actually want that to happen.

What i want to scream and shout at the TRAs talking about deaths and genocide is "how the fuck do you know?" because if police etc are only recording gender, a trans woman being killed - for whatever reason - is recorded as a woman being dead, surely? if TWAW? But if dozens of trans women are being killed, then we need to know - by recording sex and then gender preference?

I don't want anyone being killed, and in the same way I'd want to know if a particular demographic was being murdered at, say, the rate of 2 a week, I'd want police resources targeted at stopping it.

I also want reporting to be more accurate. The lot in bloomsbury the other day were constantly described as a counter-protest. But they weren't. They WERE the protest. What they were protesting about was a load of older women having a meeting without men.

I'm constantly veering between rage and confusion.

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:29

Brefugee · 30/03/2023 14:28

Tomorrow signals the start of International Trans Visibility Week.

because they are so invisible the rest of the time. How many bloody flippin' weeks/months do they want? HOW MANY?

What is needed is one of those Westbro Baptist Church-style anti-TVW protests, where silent people just stand there, with hands linked, or something. Quietly dignified but making a point

12 months a year, for a start.

Trans-ideology is never satisfied - TRAs always demand more and more and more.

Brefugee · 30/03/2023 14:28

Tomorrow signals the start of International Trans Visibility Week.

because they are so invisible the rest of the time. How many bloody flippin' weeks/months do they want? HOW MANY?

What is needed is one of those Westbro Baptist Church-style anti-TVW protests, where silent people just stand there, with hands linked, or something. Quietly dignified but making a point

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:26

Binglebong · 30/03/2023 14:23

Which article please? I really don't want to boost their figures by trawling. Thanks.

I don't know if MN will delete this post because it has a link but here goes:

‘Desperate and bigoted’: the right uses latest shooting to malign trans people

From hateful rants on Fox news to falsehoods in Congress, the far right exploits the tragedy to demonize vulnerable people

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/30/far-right-demonize-lgbtq-nashville-shooting

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 14:25

Do you think they have any bloody clue how many millions of people have seen the NZ footage? How many of them have peaked and finally get it? More than agreed with the violent thugs I'd bet.

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 14:24

VitaminX · 30/03/2023 14:23

It's not always stated as clearly as this, but this is obviously the goal of terrorising women when they try to speak. Why else would they do it?

Context: Reddit thread crowing over the violence and intimidation inflicted on KJK and the women who came to her event to speak or listen.

How's that working out for them?

Binglebong · 30/03/2023 14:23

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:05

I see The Guardian are running a piece painting the trans mass murderer as the victim.

Which article please? I really don't want to boost their figures by trawling. Thanks.

VitaminX · 30/03/2023 14:23

It's not always stated as clearly as this, but this is obviously the goal of terrorising women when they try to speak. Why else would they do it?

Context: Reddit thread crowing over the violence and intimidation inflicted on KJK and the women who came to her event to speak or listen.

'Trans Day of Vengeance' protest continues as planned following Nashville shooting
RosaBonheur · 30/03/2023 14:18

MerlinsLostMarbles · 30/03/2023 13:57

I've seen KJK herself and several gender critical people describe what happened in NZ as "terrorism".

2,000+ people made a lot of noise and someone threw soup on KJK. I wouldn't describe this as "terrorism".

Showing up with threatening placards, masks and weapons to physically intimidate and assault women who are speaking about women's rights, to achieve the political/ideological aim of silencing anyone who does not agree that trans women are women, would appear to fall squarely within this definition of terrorism.

'Trans Day of Vengeance' protest continues as planned following Nashville shooting
IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2023 14:10

2,000+ people made a lot of noise and someone threw soup on KJK. I wouldn't describe this as "terrorism".

I might not describe that as 'terrorism' either, but that's not all that happened.

'Trans Day of Vengeance' protest continues as planned following Nashville shooting
'Trans Day of Vengeance' protest continues as planned following Nashville shooting
jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2023 14:08

RosaBonheur · 30/03/2023 13:56

Does any normal person not groan and think, "oh please, no" when they see the words "Trans Visibility Week"?

I really do not think lack of visibility is a problem that they have.

Yep ! And it's sad that I can't stand rainbow's anymore 🙁

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 14:05

MerlinsLostMarbles · 30/03/2023 13:57

I've seen KJK herself and several gender critical people describe what happened in NZ as "terrorism".

2,000+ people made a lot of noise and someone threw soup on KJK. I wouldn't describe this as "terrorism".

Then what would you describe an angry, (supposedly righteous, tolerant and inclusive) baying our of control mob who broke down barriers, who kettled women assaulted women with soup and other liquids, Beat a woman in her 70s fracturing her skull in the process, breaking the foot of another woman.

Because those women were terrorised terrified and traumatised.

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:05

I see The Guardian are running a piece painting the trans mass murderer as the victim.

bellinisurge · 30/03/2023 14:00

@HereForTheFreeLunch [meme with middle aged woman cracking up laughing]

HereForTheFreeLunch · 30/03/2023 13:58

RosaBonheur · 30/03/2023 13:56

Does any normal person not groan and think, "oh please, no" when they see the words "Trans Visibility Week"?

I really do not think lack of visibility is a problem that they have.

Exactly. To paraphrase Ross... Every day is Lesbian lover LGBTQIA+ day...

MerlinsLostMarbles · 30/03/2023 13:57

SquidwardBound · 30/03/2023 07:58

It’s so depressing how people just accept claims that there is anything that can be termed a ‘trans genocide’. Why is it acceptable for TRAs to appropriate the term genocide?

It’s alarming. All the people throwing the term should probably be bloody grateful that they aren’t experiencing an actual genocide.

It is never ‘genocide’ if you are holding well publicised, state supported (through the provision of policing etc), large scale, flag waving protests. Even less so when politicians are promoting your cause.

Why do none of these people - so quick to jump on everyone else’s much more
innocuous language - stop and think about how offensive this is. There are real people who have survived genocide who’ve been through unimaginably terrible things.

I've seen KJK herself and several gender critical people describe what happened in NZ as "terrorism".

2,000+ people made a lot of noise and someone threw soup on KJK. I wouldn't describe this as "terrorism".

RosaBonheur · 30/03/2023 13:56

Does any normal person not groan and think, "oh please, no" when they see the words "Trans Visibility Week"?

I really do not think lack of visibility is a problem that they have.

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