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Communist Party UK statement on GRR

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Ingenieur · 29/03/2023 19:03

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law/

Gender as an ideological construct should not be confused or conflated with the material reality of biological sex. Gender is the vehicle through which misogyny is enacted and normalised.

I think I know who's getting my vote this year!

The Gender Recognition Bill and Equality Law - Communist Party of Britain

Communist Party executive committee STATEMENT March 2023 1 The GRR Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament on 22 December, 2022. The Bill reforms the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) for Scotland only. It changes the process for obtaining a gender...

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law

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ChristinaXYZ · 30/03/2023 20:43

ClassicLib · 29/03/2023 20:10

Given that there are probably a grand total of 37 people in the U.K. who give a flying fuck what the communist party says about anything, it’s probably best to ignore them, like 99.999999% of people.

It is just bloody useful for pointing out that women's rights are not a left-right thing but an across-the-board thing and those claiming women speaking out are literal Nazis need to think a bit harder.

nepeta · 30/03/2023 19:55

power crazed posh nutter

I have to remember this hilarious term!

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/03/2023 19:47

“The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels, however, explicitly states that communism will end all private properties and also that people don’t know their own good and must be forced to live in Communist societies. Even if they don’t want to, because they don’t know their own best interest”

Marx was a historical determinist. He thought that the workers would rise up and overtake their masters as an inevitability, regardless of what intellectual communists or bourgeoisie or anyone else had to say about it, because of the pattens he detected in his study of power relationships in history. That fact that he thought it would be a good thing is by the by in his analysis iyswim.

Obviously it hasn’t worked out that way very often ever, because some power crazed posh nutter always takes over.

BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 19:43

@funnelfan
As a Christian who enjoys pointing out to those who preach the "prosperity gospel" that the early church practiced a form of communism, this cheers me up enormously.

That's interesting, I didn't know that about the early church. Weren't kibbutzes organised on communist lines as well? I remember reading somewhere that the US was initially extremely suspicious of and hostile to Israel in the very early days for that reason, or due to that perception, at least.

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 19:39

Enjoying this meme.

Communist Party UK statement on GRR
BlackForestCake · 30/03/2023 19:32

@nepeta Exactly right. I keep pointing out to people that the entire Marxist and most feminist analysis of women’s oppression is rooted in Engels. And that is a book all about what happens to the type of people who have the babies and how they are treated in society.

If you believe women are not necessarily female, you cannot subscribe to Engels’ analysis. It doesn’t make any sense. So you need to state what your new position is.

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet The Cde Delta mess was a disgraceful scandal. Which is really sad because the old SWP was full of people who were – in their own way – committed to women’s liberation. That’s why they were in denial about the scandal and the group nearly collapsed. But long before that they produced a large body of work talking about feminism, socialism, patriarchy and similar themes – for example:

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1981/xx/patriarchy.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1986/xx/benefits.html
https://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1984/xx/women.html

You do not of course have to agree with the conclusions of these articles, but their existence is evidence that they took the subject seriously.

Lindsey German: Theories of Patriarchy (Spring 1981)

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1981/xx/patriarchy.htm

Ohyoudodoyou · 30/03/2023 19:13

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 19:08

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Screenshot for the lazy:

yeah, miss and then Caitlyn Jenner liked her post and then India Willoughby slated Caitlyn and then, Miss, Miss...

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 19:08

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2023 19:06

JKR's enjoying this!

Very excited to announce that after a long stretch of being Literally Hitler I've become Ideologically Stalin. With luck, hard work and your continued support, I believe I can make Vlad the Impaler by Christmas.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1641486452222570501?s=20

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Communist Party UK statement on GRR
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2023 19:06

JKR's enjoying this!

Very excited to announce that after a long stretch of being Literally Hitler I've become Ideologically Stalin. With luck, hard work and your continued support, I believe I can make Vlad the Impaler by Christmas.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1641486452222570501?s=20

raspberrywine · 30/03/2023 19:03

HermioneWeasley · 30/03/2023 18:59

It’s helpful, because it’s very difficult to dismiss the COMMUNIST PARTY as “far right” or “fascists”.

They are coming out with horseshoe theory and they can't see the irony in that.

HermioneWeasley · 30/03/2023 18:59

It’s helpful, because it’s very difficult to dismiss the COMMUNIST PARTY as “far right” or “fascists”.

NotHavingIt · 30/03/2023 18:58

Not sure I'll be voting Communist, even as I appreciate their input. I'd love to see what Billy Bragg has to say on the issue.

But on one thing I do agree with the Communist party, and that is that Gender Ideology is totally a product of a late stage capitalism and individualistic consumer culture of the U.S variety.

nepeta · 30/03/2023 18:55

But of course communism would be gender critical as it is based on materialism. The three exploitation axes are based on sex, race, and class, after all. Engels on the origins of the family makes the Marxist stance quite clear.

Once we erase the sex axis, we can no longer discuss how that part of the exploitation happens.

NotHavingIt · 30/03/2023 18:52

EmpressaurusOfCats · 30/03/2023 17:20

Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones have been very busy on Twitter explaining that she’s a different kind of Communist. So it’s ok.

Yes, she's the sort of communist who loves shopping. Luxury communism now.

Floisme · 30/03/2023 18:52

I've only just caught up with this!

It's made me laugh. A lot.

Signalbox · 30/03/2023 18:42

FinallyHere · 30/03/2023 17:58

@Ingenieur

Nobody can credibly claim that the Communist Party are Right-wing!

I'm guessing they will try. Really hope it doesn't work. Grin.

Already happening...

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/03/2023 18:40

I already support them but this is very nice indeed.

turbonerd · 30/03/2023 18:38

Great that one of the British Communist Parties got the issue even more widely publicised.
Well done for that.

The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels, however, explicitly states that communism will end all private properties and also that people don’t know their own good and must be forced to live in Communist societies. Even if they don’t want to, because they don’t know their own best interest.

In that respect Mao and Stalin and the N-Korean dude got communism dead right.

Ohyoudodoyou · 30/03/2023 18:15

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 17:57

Look at LOJ, lording it over the proles, bragging about his TWO degree from Oxford University.

I can’t quite decide if Gracie is an idiot who genuinely believes a controversial male news media figure needs defending from a female fiction author or if pointing out that JK has 14 million followers is a clever undercover put down at LOJ’s expense?

The insult equivalent of a humble brag?

17th May 2022 OJ posted THIS pile on.

"I need your help!

This "story" - claiming 60 girls drove a girl out of a school for "questioning trans ideology" - doesn't include their side of the story or even name the school.

I want to speak anonymously to these girls for their story, so please RT!"

Ingenieur · 30/03/2023 18:13

BlackForestCake · 30/03/2023 17:08

That one tweet now has two million views and 900 quote tweets. That's "no debate" finished.

I'm basking in all this glorious sunlight!

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 18:13

BlackForestCake · 30/03/2023 18:09

This is getting interesting, the SWP has chipped in with its TWAW line:

"The Russian Revolution opened the door to women’s and LGBT+ liberation. Stalin’s counter-revolution recriminalised homosexuality and abortion in the 1930s. That legacy lives on todayThere’s no conflict between women’s and trans rights, trans women are women, trans men are men"
https://twitter.com/SWP_Britain/status/1641473471413641219

So basically making the same points as Owen Jones

Does that make Owen Jones a CryptoRapist?

SWP are

flyingbuttress43 · 30/03/2023 18:13

@Brefugee Just to set the record straight: I have no family issues around communism. Not sure where you got that from.

Ingenieur · 30/03/2023 18:13

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 17:25

Twitter RN.

Priceless!

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 18:12

Notaflippinclue · 30/03/2023 18:02

Re parents not being told their kids are trans by schools - GB news have just shown creepy clips of Jeffrey Marsh with Peter Tatchell coming out with the most ridiculous pseudo nonsense about cause of kids being trans is biological and backed by science for fucks sake - watch it on catch up - no wonder kids are confused.

Wouldn’t that make Tatchell Transmedicalist? Someone should grass him up to the TRAs

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