Mary Harrington on KJK

It's a problem that Right Wing has become an insult.
A bird never flew on one wing, as my old nan used to say.

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They just need somewhere soft to land when the peakening happens, and the cushioned landing will now be their mums and their grandmas, their aunties, their sisters, their female friends, all of whom listened to KJK.

I'm not THAT fat.

a convincingly large mob of online crazies

I am taking that line in the article quite personally.

I'm not THAT fat.

The labour party have no chance of winning back the red wall. They despise working class people. They see their base as twitter, students, the woke, the laptop classes.

I think KJK's intervention has the potential to really shake things up. I hope lots of women here will also consider standing for public office.

All that matters now is that the Conservative Party crystallise their evolving GC positioning, and the Labour Party are forced to confront mutually inconsistent positions of the most basic refusal not to go Self ID with all the usual leftist #BeKind #NoBullying claptrap.
That means more and more public exposure of the TRA cult...Sunday was a Red Letter Day in that respect, the SNP to continue its clown car routine with Humza pushing on, doubling down on Self ID, relentless pressure on Labour as the irresistible tide of reality dawns on Starmer.
I really see Posie's events pushing the momentum on, with the heft and intellect of the others in print and online, and Queen JKR always contributing.
The anti-Posie fraternity can perfect their echo chamber policy if they want.
Shades of Judean People's Front versus People's Front Of Judea.

I recently got a text off my sister mentioning something I'd said on a mumsnet thread.

She'd gone to check on the timing for something KJK related to find us lot posting about cheese and worshipping datun! We hadn't really discussed KJK that much with each other until then!

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They just need somewhere soft to land when the peakening happens, and the cushioned landing will now be their mums and their grandmas, their aunties, their sisters, their female friends, all of whom listened to KJK.

I have recently found out my sister is a massive KJK fan so I see what you mean.

Then along comes a carefully considered article from a left wing GC feminist and the message gets through to them.

But all the left wing GC feminists are writing for right wing publications so THAT ship sailed about 4 years ago.

They think ALL terves are right wing tho! Look at what happened to Doc Stock!

Most of those people will eventually be peaked by the GenderBorg itself. By detransitioners or men breaking the skulls of elderly women, or by being confronted by a man in what they thought was a female only space, y’know, like a Rape Crisis centre.

They just need somewhere soft to land when the peakening happens, and the cushioned landing will now be their mums and their grandmas, their aunties, their sisters, their female friends, all of whom listened to KJK.

It won’t be a dwindling bunch of purity spiralled Real Feminists in a conference hall.

If Actual Gender Critical Left want to speak solely to an audience of already gender critical leftwing women, surely they are just talking to each other? Nothing is going to get better for women if you only ever preach to your own, carefully pre-vetted choir.

What about the people that simply don't get KJK? The message doesn't resonate, or it's just too far from their usual political position? They dismiss it as right wing transphobia. I am NOT saying that is what it is, but that is how some people perceive it.

They see the Nazis and the Pink News headlines and write KJK off.

These people are left with Keir doesn't know what a cervix is Starmer or the completely captured Greens. Then along comes a carefully considered article from a left wing GC feminist and the message gets through to them.

The new left is a homogenously sealed, herd mentality-minded and purity spiral-motivated self-fulfilling prophesy. I'm talking the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum pals like Sam Tarry, the Tankies, and the New Feminists, Angela Rayner, Lisa Nandy, Dawn Butler, and those with trans children all the way thru the Labour movement, Yvette Cooper and Stephen Kinnock the most prominent examples.
It's a self-regulating organism, believing in the trans child, TWAW, and anyone not on board is either uneducated or somehow tainted.
Somehow Starmer needs to navigate this impossible terrain, and that's assuming he's at the very least sane, with at least some TRA skeptical attitudes.
However herd mentality thru the whole left and institutions and BBC in this nation means he's losing this battle, if he ever had any fight in him to start.
For the many of women on the left, especially new graduate class, they're on board with the narrative, and view JKR, Posie and Rosie as poison, Ingala Smith undeserving of Labour membership, and critically Posie as on the same moral compass as Trump, Farage and Tommy Robinson.
For those women on the left into class based analysis of society, but aware that the intersectional analysis of society is a dead end, most highlighted by TWAW, they have a choice to make.
Like poor old Rosie Duffield, they may feel they can "change" the Labour Party and reset the narrative (hmm, like the husband who's abusive and promises it'll be better in the morning), these GC left feminists are so being left behind.
It's they who have to make some hard choices, we're on board with the need for urgency, just not purity of messenger or tactics.

I appreciate his perspective because he's a political scientist so he has the data. Sadly, as he points out, the new radical progressives are anti scientific and give primacy to 'lived experience' when thinking about policy.

@FOJN absolutely!

I’ve been listening to Matthew Goodwin on
populism and the monstering of the working classes since 2016 Trump/Brexit and while he has mentioned Women’s rights and the GenderBorg before it’s always been a fairly brief mention in passing kinda like a hot potato he wanted to drop asap (he does work at a university, so who can blame him!)

it’s interesting how his most recent interviews have become decidedly more forthright on the issue, to the point that I find myself wondering if he’s had a personal peakening via his kids’ schools or something (I don’t even know if he has any kids btw!)

I’ve also appreciated Paul Embery’s podcast appearances for discussion of these topics (trade unionist and ‘Blue Labour’)

Other than sharing a certain apparent, in-your-face "authenticity against the elite" style I don't see much similarity between KJK and Farage or Palin. Posie is blunt beyond the point of rudeness, which F and P carefully avoid, only going so far. I haven't seen her say anything which is explicitly dishonest. She comes across as conservative and traditional without being particularly right wing, and she doesn't try to present or position herself within a particular political environment. She's not a Tory. She is not obviously on the make, unlike both F and P.

But time will tell.

I realise this clip has already had it’s own thread but it’s worth giving it another airing.

JHB interviews Ellie Reeves, the Shadow Minister for Prisons and Probation.

Doesn’t exactly fill one with enthusiasm at the thought of a Labour Government, does it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EvedPT3f7zc

As Ken said on the Brendan O'Neill podcast, she wants to reach her scaffolder neighbour. The actual gender critical left would never.

But if all the left wing women are writing for the right wing press who is going to reach the socialist, gender critical left?

Why do they need reaching if they are already gender critical? It is notable that these pure gender critical left have not poured vitriol on those left wing women writing for these hated publications and accused them of being right wing.

Ah, good catch @GailBlancheViola!

If all the left wing gender critical feminist writers are now working for right wing publications who IS pure enough for the Actual Gender Critical Left? Julie Bindel regular appears in the Daily Mail and you don’t get much more populist than that (possibly The Sun?). I think it’s a good thing, no point in writing for obscure blogs and pretentious fanzines, not if you want things to change anyway.

If Actual Gender Critical Left want to speak solely to an audience of already gender critical leftwing women, surely they are just talking to each other? Nothing is going to get better for women if you only ever preach to your own, carefully pre-vetted choir.

It’s like that meme with two spidermen pointing at each other.

I can predict people who have monstered her deleting those half cropped screenshots that they used for years and pretending they supported her all along.

If it hadn't been for certain left wing women I'd probably just remember Posie Parker as someone who used to post on here, and I wouldn't even know who KJK was. So they've done a grand job.

I introduced someone to KJK today via her you tube stuff. This is someone who isn't going to read a book or an article. She's never going to join a political party or go to a conference. But she will watch videos. She will forward the links onto her friends who will watch them.

KJK can reach a swathe of women who are never going to read books or articles, attend conferences or even sodding vote usually, but are currently so angry at what is happening.

If she can reach these women who are time and cash poor and persuade them that they matter, that their voices matter, that their votes matter then I'll take 1 of her over 100 of the ones who denounce her.

Their FFS autocorrect changes it every time I hit the space bar after the word.

Great swathes of the supposed British left now despise the working classes. They can’t stand white man van and his St George’s flags, the working classes are just dehumanised as chavs, gammons and karens and anyone who isn’t white but doesn’t wholeheartedly embrace Labour as their lord and masters are decried as Uncle Toms or coconuts.

I'm posting this link for the second time today because this interview, between Brendon O'Neill and Matthew Goodwin, covers so much of the ground being discussed here. Matt Goodwin has recently published another book called 'Value,Voice and Virtue' so he is doing the podcast interview rounds. He did another one with the SDP, it's on there YouTube channel, which covers much the same ground but is useful for hearing the SDP take on the same issues.