NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

How do you know they aren’t genuine? How do you identify a genuine trans person? How do you define trans?

https://mobile.twitter.com/collinwood_j/status/1640518888851898370/photo/1
So this is doing the rounds on Twitter. It appears to be genuine though I can't confirm as the original account is private. It's being shared by tras who clearly agree with it.

Thanks. I wondered why, as a rapist, he appeared to have robbed but not sexually assaulted his tied-up victim. Makes more sense if he's a straight man and his victim was male.

Please don’t tell me where my thoughts should be. My thoughts can be several places at the same time.

While this incident has been reported as female on some services on others it is confusing. You only have to look at reports around other crimes to understand why people are suspicious.

Bit of an own goal there, you just admitted that predatory males will abuse Self ID for nefarious purposes. If the TWAW/TMAM brigade can’t differentiate between “true trans” and grifters then Self ID is totally flawed and should not form the basis of any laws/policy.

The stats on violence against trans are well reported and researched.

Link them then.

Biologically you wouldn't expect that to be the case. We know that testosterone is highly related to violent crime. If men take drugs to suppress testosterone they generally do fewer violent crimes. It's possible that there's other factors related to being trans that also affect crimes (feeling outcast, getting caught up in a violent movement, or trans identity being latched into by sex offenders in response to bad feelings about themselves, etc) But I think the statistics are a complete mess tbh. Trans identity doesn't seem to be fixed for many people and it's not helped by the trans movement hijacking language to such an extent that the media reporting cases aren't clear whether they're describing a male or a female.

BBC have now edited their own coverage to remove any pronouns or description of the shooter as either a man or a woman - presumably not wanting to get it wrong.

"Claiming" but not always genuine!

The stats on violence against trans are well reported and researched.

Nail. On. Head.

They really aren't. Men identifying as women offend at a very high rate.

Rubbish, trans people are far far more likely to victims then perpetrators of violence.

Evidence please? Which I know will never be provided but I'll request anyway. 🥱

Artificial testosterone above normal levels has been reported to massively increases aggression in women. So actually it would be an important take away, and one that if ignored endangers all potential future victims.

Exactly.

You clearly know nothing about the stats of sex offenders in prison who are male claiming to be female. Much higher than the general male prison population. It may shock you.

Just listening to LBC and Nick Ferrari being given a hard time by a listener for even mentioning that this women pretended to be male and used he/him pronouns. Odd because if the shooter was a transwoman then NO ONE would dare to use he/him pronouns for him in the media. Even penis wielding rapists are she/her.
They want this woman in their stats as female to 'prove' that women are as violent as men.
Misogyny every which way isn't i?

Rubbish, trans people are far far more likely to victims then perpetrators of violence.

@Helleofabore i heard of this tragic shooting last night (World Service) the reporter was clear, she carried out the shooting.

This morning, Sky News reported a biological woman who identified as a man, did the killing.

I felt that on both occasions, i was well informed.

But any confusion is likely to be because of the very recent timescales of the shooting and dissecting the facts from rumour.

TBH our thoughts should be with the victims and their families, rather than focusing on the piece of scum that is Audrey Hale.

There's a heavy crossover between trans-identified people, antifa, severe mental health problems and a love of violent weapons. Try telling the trans antifa in Portland or Seattle that they can't have guns and bombs. They're like Charlton Heston with nail varnish.

Aren't you using this tragedy to score points too?

Would you be here if you didn't see this as a way to criticise people interested in women's rights?

Why are you here rather than on other threads about this horrific crime? (Or do other threads also discuss the sex of the shooter because it is very relevant).

I was going to ask if you would be on this forum and support it's aims without this shooting, but I won't bother now. Later posts make it clear where you stand. Not surprised.

I wonder if there’s a difference between the crime rates for females who identify as transgender before they begin the transition ? ie is this a chicken or egg. Are the females who identify as trans more likely to have higher crime rates anyway? Or is it a product of transition? IDK if I’m making sense.

I don't know why my photos aren't working.

Men retain male patterns of violence when the tske cross sex hormones. Women acquire them

I’m trying my best to keep us all factual but boy do these murky statistics and arbitrary and inconsistent categorisations make it bloody difficult!

One thing seems pretty constant across all categories is the percentage split of male/female perps, which is (unsurprisingly) 98% male.

Thanks crypto.

And if it is true that 2 out of the 5 female shooters in history are trans people

The figures are very murky.

Different databases use different parameters.

If we are looking at the category of mass shooters, it’s only 1 transman perp.

If it’s school shooters, it’s 2 transman perps.

As far as I can tell, this is the first ever adult female mass shooter (more than 4 fatalities) who targeted school children in a K-12 school.

Other female school shooters had fewer fatalities and were teens who targeted their same age peers.

Eg the other transman school-shooter murderer, had a male accomplice, killed one person (and injured 6) was 16 at the time of the crime and the victims were aged between 15-18.

Seems quite different (from a criminology point of view) to this person, who was 28 and targeted 9 year olds (and their teachers).

It’s my understanding that until today there has never been a female adult mass shooter who targeted children.

(there is also a couple of female shooters on record who killed 3 victims and thus don’t officially qualify as ‘mass shooters’).