NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

They were even dressed in camo trousers and a bandana, it looks absolutely planned.

They'd even been scoping out the location prior to yesterday.

I've just watched the police bodycam footage, and even when they're on the ground shot down by several police officers they are still trying to pick up their weapon to shoot again.

"You'll see just how manly I am".

I was struck by the same thought when I watched the CCTV footage - a woman play-acting at the far edge of the spectrum of masculinity.

It's evident that many men identify as women because they have a pornified fantasy of being a women. With women who identify as men we tend to focus on those girls who are reacting to internalised misogyny and lesbophobia, but it's just possible that a small minority of trans-identified females are attracted by the fantasy of becoming a violent man.

I’ve listed all the female perps I can find who are either ‘school shooters’ (this list features perps with between 0-6 fatalities)

or

‘mass public shooters’ (these are the 4 that come up in the 4 of 172 statistic lots of newspapers go with, compiled by The Violence Project).

Plus

all the female public shooters I can find who don’t show up on the other 2 lists but fit the ‘public shooter’ definition in everything except fatality numbers (these perps have 2 or 3 fatalities and the usual criteria is 4 plus).

Between 1979 and yesterday, across all three groups, I’ve come up with a total of 14 names.

3 of the 14 identify as transmen.

The transman perpetrated crimes take place in 2018, 2019 & 2023.

obvs this is an extremely non-expert compilation (I’m just a normie that likes to double check stuff myself to the best of my ability so I don’t needlessly contribute to the never ending stream of slightly-wrong ‘facts’ online).

Can copy over my list of dates and names if Mumsnetters want to see it/check it over but I am mindful of the media’s attempts at downplaying names of perps to minimise glorification and copycat crimes.

My middle aged British brain cannot cope with using American geographical references or names of institutions tho, I just get muddled up with stuff like The Denver Shooter/The Colarado Shooter which isn’t helpful for getting facts as straight as possible!

So of the 4 female shooters 50% were women who identified as male. That's huge and rightly is a big issue. Are there any respected psychoanalysts or profilers with an opinion on this?

'The attack was America's 129th mass shooting of 2023, according to Gun Violence Archive, a non-profit that tracks gun violence data.
According to data compiled by Education Week, there have been 12 school shootings that have resulted in deaths or injuries in the US this year up until the end of last week.'

Horrific.

We also know that in the UK there are many more trans murderers than trans people murdered.

I don't know. I find it absolutely chilling that anyone could shoot a load of random children in the first place but planning to do it is just beyond comprehension

What's to discuss about gun control that hasn't already been discussed ad nauseum? Gun control in the US seems as good as a lost cause. If Sandy Hook didn't change things then nothing will.

The fact that the perpetrator is female is what is unusual about this case. If the police had found a load of incel material on his computer we'd be discussing that. Likewise for religious or right-wing violence (not necessarily on this board, though religion may be relevant to feminism where someone is specifically trying to prevent girls from being educated).

I know Boiled I really shouldn't expect it since anything that detracts from the carefully curated most oppressed, most vulnerable minority ever, in the whole wide world and history of the world ever, ever just cannot be accepted - eyes shut, hands over ears, don't listen, don't look and it won't be true.

I suppose the handful of female perps that have committed school shootings, mass shootings and mass public shootings might identify as ‘loads’?

May as well pop this down seeing as I bookmarked it…

between 1966 and 2019 there was a grand total of 172 ‘Public Mass Shootings’.
I believe this is the category that newspapers are using when they say that (until yesterday) there had only been 4 female perps.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

The document looks at some of the psychosocial histories associated with people who commit this category of murder.

It also shows how the number of these crimes and the average number of fatalities increases dramatically around 1999/2000 and then continued to increase steadily for the next 20 years.

(screen shot is from yesterday’s NYT and is what I’m matching with the research document linked above).

The issue of sex is worthy of note in this case because it's a "man bites dog" story.

Almost every single damned mass or school shooting is by a man (or boy). GIven the state of gender identity reporting, it is perfectly normal for someone hearing "a woman murdered 6 people at a school," to think, yeah, I know what kind of 'woman' that's going to be. Because 99 times out of 100, yes, this is a male crime.

It's hideously common for school shootings in the US, and I don't think anyone believes the USA is interested in changing that if they didn't following Sandy Hook. I mean, what more could it possibly take to turn the tide?

It's vanishingly rare for a woman to commit this type of crime. The only other recent woman to do so was also trans-identifying - again, a tiny proportion of the female estate - so that gives pause as to whether something else was at play in these heinous murders.

There are some seriously sick people out in the world aren't there!

Who writes a plan of murdering innocent children?

What the hell happened in that woman's life to make her do this with such dedication to the impending cruelty she was going to unleash?

I suspect of you took the data and split it, there would be a much higher rate of AGP crimes and less so of Autistic female crimes, trans lumps everyone under the same umbrella, that violent drag Queen in NZ will be lumped in as trans.

Jesus. How could anyone possibly justify themselves doing this?

Now don't you be expecting people to look at actual data Gail. Why on earth would people actually want to be properly informed on the incorrect things they say?

They've just said on the news that Hale left a detailed manifesto and the attack was meticulously planned.

Really? Trans people are over represented as perpetrators of sexual and violent crime when the actual data is provided based on the numbers of trans people in the population.

Where exactly are my tears for the perpetrator in my post @Florissante? , please do point them out. Also, I expressed my sympathies for the victims in other posts on this thread, I did not realise I had to do so on every post made on this thread.

No. You and some other posters want our discussion to be directed to where you wish it to be.

What is fucked up is telling women on a feminism thread where their attention should be directed.

If there is a growing issue with female violence resulting in this horrific shooting, including of 9 year old children, that is absolutely within the remit of this board.

How bizarre not to recognise that? It is almost as if there is some other issue clouding the reality. That of a female shooter killing 6 people, 3 of which are children and what is happening to women to cause this.

If you think this is just about guns, go and fill your boots discussing it elsewhere where the direction of discussion fulfills your want list.

Despite the poster last night claiming that there have been "loads" of female shooters and that the statistics which illustrate that circa 98% of violent crimes are committed by males aren't true.

Straight out of the Al Queda, ISIS and every other terrorist organisation handbook.

Listen women, do NOT discuss women’s issues on the Feminist board. Discuss other important things, you silly little things.

@thedancingbear The gun control debate is every single damn day. They won't change anything. There's nothing to debate. I can bet on the fact most of those parents had guns at home.
What is new, and important to debate, is the effect of testosterone on female bodies and the quantities it is readily given in. The correlation of that and an increase in violent crimes in females is important. If we aren't careful around this, many more people will die at the hands of violent women. This wasn't ever a worry people had before.
I find it really quite disgusting that when a mass murder occurs, it is perfectly fine to talk about the perpetrators if it's their religion or socio economic background. Never when it's a trans issue. All those trans activists sending death and bomb threats to JL Rowling. Can you imagine the response if that had been some anti magic vigilante extreme religion group? It would be perfectly ok to criticise them. Never the trans community. It makes people who aren't even involved in the TRA debates or community, really quite nervous.