NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

Is violence a gendered behaviour?

Is violence linked to testosterone?

Do men have significantly higher testosterone?

If yes to the above than gender is not a social construct it's linked to biology.

The 'trans' movement has intentionally attempted to make gender and sex the same thing, by which putting on a dress and painting your nails actually makes you a woman.

It also allows men who perform woman gender sterotypes, can enter female sports, which should be segregated by sex.

Sex and gender are different. It would be good to scrap the idea of gender entirely and just make provisions for difference of sex.

In terms of physical risks, those face by women are minimised/ignored: childbirth, prostitution, domestic violence, forced marriage, rape, fgm, walking through a city centre at night on the way home from a late shift, being locked up in prison or a mental health ward with violent men, expected to share a hospital ward with male sex offenders…

I didn't say women aren't brave did I?

I said men are more likely to take physical risks in behalf of others which is just obviously true by general observation, but it's also been shown this is one of the impacts of higher testosterone (rather than necessarily violence.) Good vs negative result of testosterone.

You extrapolated what I said into something I haven't said and took offense. There's no need.

I'm a huge Posie fan. I'm in awe of the brave women being prepared to challenge the aggressive men.

Women are just as brave as men but it often (not always before you take offense again) presents differently. Because we are different.

I dont know how to explain it any simpler than the previous message, but I will try again.

Gender are behaviours that are associated with a particular sex. Examples might be - women have long hair, women wear dresses, women like cleaning, women should not drive. In many countries GENDER is a tool of opression for women, as in the above example if not driving. Of couse there is nothing biological that means that women cannot drive. Of course there is nothing biological that means women cant wear trousers. These are socially constructed associations with sex.

BIOLOGICAL SEX, is a reality, and is immutable. Differences are matters of reality and not social contruct. The fact women are the ones who give birth is not a social construct, but a matter of reality. The fact that men are bigger and stronger (generally) is a matter if biology and reality, and evolution, it is not a social contruct.

If you can't see the difference between 'women wear dresses and have long hair' and 'women are the sex who menstruate and give birth', I don't know how to help you.

Testosterone doesn't just make men more likely to be violent it also makes them more likely to take physical risks on behalf of others.

I find this totally offensive. What do you think KJK and the other women were doing in NZ in trying to speak? The brave women protesting lack of education in Afghanistan? The thousands of women uncovering their heads in Iran? The millions of women who place themselves in front of their children to protect them? And when women do this they do so in the knowledge that they are physically weaker than male opponents.

The BBC article is sooooo careful not to call this murderous woman A Woman. It referenced her being transgender but that could, as we know about twisted reporting, mean she was a trans identified MAN aka a transwomen.

This, tragically, was a woman's crime. The extent to which her healthcare providers let her down, the extent to which lax gun laws let those victims down, we don't yet know. She was a murderer.

Feminists are becoming increasingly confused in their arguments around this and it's really obvious to non feminists.

You can't argue:
Testosterone contributes to high violence
Men have high testosterone
Men are more violent

But gender is just a social construct.

It's just illogical.

Violence is a gendered behavioural difference linked to biology. By your own admission.

So it can't be socially constructed.

Here's the bodycam footage from the police officers who went into the school.

All men.

Testosterone doesn't just make men more likely to be violent it also makes them more likely to take physical risks on behalf of others.

We do need positive socialisation of men so that this propensity for physical reaction to high emotion is contained by societal norms.

Gender is not just a social construct but it does need socialising.

We need men's risk taking but we need it to be shaped into positive expression.

https://twitter.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1640722840319143938?t=kYc8bNEObc5-6Gx7UQRZGA&s=08

For years I’ve walked the line adhering MNHQ’s pandering rules about “misgendering”, which really means appropriately referring to a person’s sex. I’ve become accustomed to writing posts avoiding pronouns. So I can perfectly recognise the fact the media’s news article writers are bending over backwards to avoid using any pronouns for “the shooter” or “the suspect”. The media capture and the media fear is off the charts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65106976

@PorcelinaV

But the biology part may mean that certain traits are hardwired at least in the sense that they are more likely to express themselves. That would be real gender difference presumably.

Biological differences = sex, not gender.

Gender is nothing to do with biology, gender is a social construct. Biological sex relates to the differences between men and women, including testosterone levels.

Gender is like saying women wear dresses and do the dishes. Gender is just a set of social norms/conditioning/tradition and vary culturally.

Biological sex says males are generally larger, have more testosterone, produce sperm and have a penis.

There are many, real, stark diferences between males and females.

This is why 'trans genderism' is a ridiculous term. Oh so you are trans-social construct? What about trans-philosophical? Or trans-religion. Or trans-cultural. Why would being trans-social construct mean you have to have surgery or take medication?

From a feminist perspective women are oppressed by men due to their biology. Sex is real and does cause physical differences in strength and some behaviours likely related to evolution and hormones.
Gender is a social construct that says women and men should behave in certain ways, these ways may be different culturally but are always oppressive to women.

So women need to be protected due to their sex but are equal to men and do not need to act in any particular way, having a vagina is enough.

But the biology part may mean that certain traits are hardwired at least in the sense that they are more likely to express themselves. That would be real gender difference presumably.

Socialisation is not gender

So it could well be a mix of biology and socialisation.

But isn't that what most people are going to believe about it? The result is that gender is maybe half real at least.

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying correctly? Testosterone might well be one of the biological factors that explain the differences in the propensity of males and females to commit violent or sexual crimes. But the role of socialisation is not to be underestimated, which is why NAMALT and why it has never been suggested, AFAIK, that testosterone levels could be used as a predictor of likelihood to commit such offences.

If testosterone plays a factor in male violence, that seems to go against the GC position?

Or does the GC position allow that some gendered behaviour is "hardwired" biological difference?

This is an indication of where the world is at this moment.

Clymene · Today 23:16
This isn't fake. This is the statement from the trans resistance network saying that it's super hard being trans. They don't actually excuse her gunning down a load of little kids but it's not far off.

And urging anyone writing about her to “use his pronouns he/him”.

ItIsFiat · Today 22:26
I have very high natural testosterone for a female due to PCOS. I get very angry prior to menstruation. I feel bad for men stuck like that all the time.

That is interesting, but how hard for you. Thank you for sharing that because it must be difficult.
In detransitioner Helena’s account ( I posted a bit earlier) she mentioned not only the anger, but being hospitalised for psychosis. She realised it was all the testosterone but no one ever mentioned it.

It seems far too little is known about the effects it may have on women.

This isn't fake. This is the statement from the trans resistance network saying that it's super hard being trans. They don't actually excuse her gunning down a load of little kids but it's not far off.

I have very high natural testosterone for a female due to PCOS. I get very angry prior to menstruation. I feel bad for men stuck like that all the time.

I have spoken to someone else with similar issues and she said going on the contraceptive pill took that anger away.

nepeta
For instance, testosterone clearly doesn't cause most men to turn into killers (in wars they are essentially forced to do that), so even if the explanation is biology-based, there's more to it.

Testosterone may well have a very different effect in women than in men. After all it is being introduced into an entirely different physiology.

Helena the detransitioner mentioned the horribly random irritable feelings she had when taking it. I think she said that here.
https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?s=r

How incredibly sad that yet more children and school staff has lost their lives in this way.

Thank you to pp for their research on the subject of female shooters as well as data on offending patterns. I imagine it could be difficult for researchers to draw solid conclusions because numbers are relatively small but it certainly seems suggestive that testosterone exposure (even if not ongoing) is an important factor. It’s certainly recognised clinically that increased aggression can be seen in men abusing anabolic steroids.

I think the point about age is interesting too. We don’t know if this person has had puberty blockers but it seems entirely possible and there’s increasing concern about what effect that has on the brain (which we know doesn’t fully mature until around 25) development.