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FusionChefGeoff · 2023-03-27T21:37:26+00:00

That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

Rightsraptor · 27/03/2023 23:18

Obviously, I'm not commenting on this case because we simply don't know anything really, but I do wonder if cross sex hormones at the doses they are given affect the brain and make people - well, ... insane. There's a lot of very questionable behaviour from certain people.

BluebellBlueballs · 27/03/2023 23:18

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 22:43

NBC are reporting it, so I think it’s beyond speculation now. A trans-identifying female. Second school shooting by a TIF in the last few years.
AFAIK there has never been a school shooting by someone biologically female but not trans-identifying.

Didn't bob geldof write a song about a girl eho shot up a school in the 80s?

I don't like Mondays?

Hawkins00 · 27/03/2023 23:18

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:15

The hell is wrong with you? Incredibly disrespectful to talk like it's some sort of academic discussion. People have died FFS. Get a grip

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Could you explain the difference between this case, and eg a war and historians using it for academic purposes ?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/03/2023 23:17

Pllink · 27/03/2023 23:09

3 kids are dead and this is what people feel the need to keep making threads about? So many people on here need to sort their fucking priorities out.

This is the sex and gender board - the story wouldn’t be being discussed here at all if there was no sex and gender element. Try Chat for the general threads on the awfulness of the crime and sympathy for the victims (MNHQ already deleted one because the info was ahead of the mainstream press. Should be allowed now though).

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Both the New York Times and the Guardian are using she/her and woman and they wouldn’t want to risk an accidental ‘misgendering’ so it seems likely the perp was male?

It really shouldn’t be this hard to tell though. The media is bonkers.

NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

LightsOnNow · 27/03/2023 23:17

It is very sad, however I wonder how many parents actually carry guns themselves. The law in Tennessee permits open or concealed carrying of handguns by anyone over 21. No license or permit required, so I have mixed feelings about the handwringing, but am very sorry about the kids and the teachers of course, who wouldn't be.

Hawkins00 · 27/03/2023 23:17

Omg, and rest in peace, to the victim's

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:15

FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2023 22:45

I'm not so sure - the language is getting harder to unravel. The BBC used the phrase "trans gender females are not allowed to participate in women's events" and absolutely meant men when reporting on the recent world athletics decision

The hell is wrong with you? Incredibly disrespectful to talk like it's some sort of academic discussion. People have died FFS. Get a grip

EmmaEmerald · 27/03/2023 23:14

IClaudine · 27/03/2023 22:46

The reports are hard to decipher as the use of pronouns don't seem to tally with how this person identified? But seems to be a trans man.

I think you might be cnfused about the language here - not sure but if you are, I can see why.

Checkitoutnow · 27/03/2023 23:14

These threads feel similar to conservative messaging boards I used to read when Islamist terrorism was higher profile. Whenever there was a shooting in the US, people would be hoping that the shooter was a Muslim, and you could see the disappointment when the shooter happened to be white.

Delphinium20 · 27/03/2023 23:14

I can't tell you how much these school shootings, and any shooting of a child, just fucks with us here in the US...I probably need to get off the internet before I lose my mind...can't take having babies gunned down. We never know when it will be ours.

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:11

Pllink · 27/03/2023 23:09

3 kids are dead and this is what people feel the need to keep making threads about? So many people on here need to sort their fucking priorities out.

This. Absolutely agree

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:11

Why so much focus on gender identity. FFS people were killed, they lost their lives. Families are grieving, their lives changed forever.
RIP.

Pllink · 27/03/2023 23:09

3 kids are dead and this is what people feel the need to keep making threads about? So many people on here need to sort their fucking priorities out.

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 23:08

Giveaschitt · 27/03/2023 23:00

Fairly certain they won't be going to any prison, since they were shot by the police...

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Ahhh crap I missed that. Sorry!

Boiledbeetle · 27/03/2023 23:07

https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/

Audrey Hale, Nashville Covenant School Shooting Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Audrey Hale was the 28-year-old who fatally shot three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 27, 2023, NBC News reports.

https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale

Wiccan · 27/03/2023 23:06

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:58

I looked them up. Seems to be female to male so actually is one of "our" crimes for once. Be interesting whether they are sent to a male or female prison. I mean, personally I think it would be unethical to send them to a male prison (even though it is very hard to have any sympathy for someone who killed a load of children) but logically you would expect the usual suspects to be demanding they are sent to a male prison in keeping with their gender identity. Bet that doesn't happen though.

Read the news the shooter was shot dead , so no won't be going to prison !

namechange10022002 · 27/03/2023 23:06

If she is a biological woman, it’s weird that the press referred to her as such. They wouldn’t do that if it was a man, they would use his preferred pronouns and acquired gender.

AchillesElbow · 27/03/2023 23:05

Looks like this a woman who uses he/him pronouns. On twitter they seem to think there was a TRA motive to the attack.

IClaudine · 27/03/2023 23:02

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:58

I looked them up. Seems to be female to male so actually is one of "our" crimes for once. Be interesting whether they are sent to a male or female prison. I mean, personally I think it would be unethical to send them to a male prison (even though it is very hard to have any sympathy for someone who killed a load of children) but logically you would expect the usual suspects to be demanding they are sent to a male prison in keeping with their gender identity. Bet that doesn't happen though.

The shooter is dead, so prison does not enter the equation.

I fear this is going to be used as a stick to beat the trans community with.

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/03/2023 23:01

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:58

I looked them up. Seems to be female to male so actually is one of "our" crimes for once. Be interesting whether they are sent to a male or female prison. I mean, personally I think it would be unethical to send them to a male prison (even though it is very hard to have any sympathy for someone who killed a load of children) but logically you would expect the usual suspects to be demanding they are sent to a male prison in keeping with their gender identity. Bet that doesn't happen though.

He, or she, or they (who the hell knows) is dead.

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FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2023 23:00

Notegoat · 27/03/2023 22:53

Children are murdered and the first thing that comes into your head is ‘what biological sex was the shooter?’ Really?

Not quite - the reports drew attention to the "by a woman" which is what made me question it.

Seeing as statistically how unusual that is, how many times we are right, and as a defence mechanism to the unrelenting eg media / social media onslaught of lies and gaslighting, unfortunately yes, that's what happens now.

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Giveaschitt · 27/03/2023 23:00

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:58

I looked them up. Seems to be female to male so actually is one of "our" crimes for once. Be interesting whether they are sent to a male or female prison. I mean, personally I think it would be unethical to send them to a male prison (even though it is very hard to have any sympathy for someone who killed a load of children) but logically you would expect the usual suspects to be demanding they are sent to a male prison in keeping with their gender identity. Bet that doesn't happen though.

Fairly certain they won't be going to any prison, since they were shot by the police...

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:59

ObsidianOpal · 27/03/2023 22:56

I'm now confused as I have just seen a news report and the police chief says they identified as a transwoman?!

Quite possibly the police chief isn't sure what the right terminology is. It is getting VERY confusing.

namechange10022002 · 27/03/2023 22:59

I saw on Twitter that Audrey’s birth name is Aidan so a transwoman. Not an actual woman. If so it’s weird that they have been described in the news as female.

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 22:58

I looked them up. Seems to be female to male so actually is one of "our" crimes for once. Be interesting whether they are sent to a male or female prison. I mean, personally I think it would be unethical to send them to a male prison (even though it is very hard to have any sympathy for someone who killed a load of children) but logically you would expect the usual suspects to be demanding they are sent to a male prison in keeping with their gender identity. Bet that doesn't happen though.