NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

So was the perpetrator biologically male or female?

I was responding specifically to this quote they made

"You really don't give up on the trans bashing on this website do you?"

Without a full detailed analysis on Mumsnet then they cannot fully accurately make that analysis.

Strange isn't it?

If crimes committed by males identifying as women are recorded as crimes committed by females then this crime if it is a female identifying as a man needs to be recorded as a crime committed by a male.

I note that in the report today about the TW who violently assaulted another TW she/her was used throughout the reporting, yet in this crime the reporting does not use he/him.

Cannot have it both ways, either stick to the enforced pronoun script or abandon it and use the correct sex based pronouns and words.

So what if they use broad strokes? So what?
Attacking someone's style of writing is just ridiculous.
This is about loss of life what is wrong with you?

@Messyhair321 But you're trying to stop people talking about sex and gender, on a sex and gender topic, because you feel the timing isn't correct. Just leave maybe?

It's relevant when it comes to factual reporting of crime.

Don't be so sure.

Have you listened to the Police Chief?

And it seems your using broad strokes to paint a sweeping statement without a detailed analysis

You don't own this board & freedom of speech works both ways, people have a right to speak & disagree with your agenda. Sex & gender isn't just for people who hate self identity

Yes, that was a teenage girl

IClaudine apologies, when I said you might be misunderstanding, I hadn't seen the pictures.

The fact that the person who has done the shooting is allegedly a trans person is irrelevant. You really don't give up on the trans bashing on this website do you?

Fair point, but then all the world's media are in the same boat as fellow mumsnetters, due to them all detailing the full case ?

Just very sad that people are so egocentric that they make the issue of murder & loss of precious life all about their agenda & try to weave an argument about gender identity. F'king get a grip on yourselves

FREEDOM OF SPEECH. If people on the 'sex and gender' board want to discuss this news in relation to sex and gender then that is their freedom. You don't have to participate and you don't have to read, so just move along.

I don't think I am confused. The shooter was not a trans woman, but a trans man as far as I can see, so use of she/her pronouns seems wrong. But it will become clearer I expect.

But as pp ate right, we should be focussing on the tragedy, not on the shooter's gender identity.

Oh please.

It’s a current events news story. The whole world is discussing it.

It’s a horrific crime and it’s not disrespectful to expect our media outlets to cover it accurately.

Horrific crime. And children killed too. Awful.

But media reporting of shooter is confusing. It appears that TMAW as well now. Crazy times.

It's really interesting that when a trans-identified female commits a terrible crime the media, even the left-leaning media, have no problem describing her as female and a woman, ignoring her he/him pronouns and using her deadname. If a trans-identified male had done this the media would have been monstered for not calling him a woman.

No. This is about timing. History means that people have grieved, they have come to terms with what has happened. This has just happened, it's hugely disrespectful not to mention a bit weird to jabber on about what the position of the killer was without acknowledging the victims.

Might be the sex and gender board but its also less than 8 hours after some kids were murdered and people on this board are already centering themselves in the story. There are victims in this horrific situation and its damn sure not the people posting here.

No, all shootings, especially of little children, are horrific. But it is very, very rare for them to be committed by females. So when that appears to be the case it gets more attention. Just as plane crashes get more attention than car crashes. Wanting to understand "why" is normal.

It doesn't take away from the horror of the deaths. I could say what I thought about the regularity of this happening in America, and the subsequent discussion about gun control which never goes anywhere but it is the same conversation every time - American states could do more to prevent these tragedies happening. They never will. Same conversation every time.

It’s not gender identity that’s relevant to understanding criminal behaviour patterns, it’s sex.

I feel it, too, Delphinium. Take care.

You are just massively disrespectful