NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

Gaslighting. You are the one with no respect.
What an absolutely ridiculous argument.
The gender identity just doesn't matter. It's about loss of life right now, that's what it's about today. if you have to make it about your own prejudice that is very much your own issue.

The shooter was a trans man ie a natal woman

Yet the police chief, when asked if this was a trans man or a trans woman stated categorically it was a trans woman.

Now it might be that he is confused by the muddying of language.

But it is NOT clear what sex this individual was. That is shocking.

Where's the picture? This is the man who WYP called a woman in their press release he tied a disabled woman to her reclining chair and stabbed her, made her give him her PIN and stole money.

He has previous convictions for rape and other sexual offences.

I focused on their characterisation of Mumsnet, and their accuracy of Mumsnet, that's what I was discussing,

If you substitute “trans” for “fake” it’s less confusing

The shooter was a trans man ie a natal woman

So to everyone who thinks it's irrelevant I ask a hypothetical question; if you were told to beware there's an armed and dangerous woman on the loose but it was actually a man you needed to watch out for would that be ok?

I see trahr only extends to tw not tw. Twaw and tmaw and waw. Only gender conforming men are men.

Like the primogeniture laws.

@Messyhair321 why are you trying to hide the trans identity of this murderer.

The police chief wasn't.

It is dreadful that these children were murdered, and their teachers, even more dreadful if the truth about their killer can't be spoken.

It is essential to know if this was a male or female crime to prevent further incidences.

So quit with your faux concern for the victims. You are simply trying to damage limit. Now is not the time. Have some respect please.

It's unimaginable. Just cannot imagine how it must feel sending your babies off to school every day knowing there's a chance that they could be massacred there.

Maybe it's about who kills people and how we help protect the victims. Crime statistics help us do that. They help in funding interventions and help figure out who the vulnerable groups are. How do you think we find out who marginalised and vulnerable groups are? Once tons of females start becoming murderers and rapists, they won't be seen as a vulnerable group. They will be on par with men.
Skewing statistics is very dangerous and a lot more complicated than just hurting someone's feelings or misgendering them.

Seeing as the shooter has been shot dead by police I don't think we need to be worrying about whether they end up in a male or female prison in this instance🙄

What are you talking about? What do they need a full academic breakdown of an argument to make it valid? It's not about you is it? People can comment without writing a full essay. People are entitled to an opinion even if it doesn't tally with yours
You are making this about your own prejudice & it's actually about a murder & incredibly sad loss of life.

You might be too young to remember this. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-boomtown-rats-i-dont-like-mondays-dark-backstory/

Because you've decided the perpetrator's physical and mental state is irrelevant?
You wouldn't want to pursue or investigate any angles which means such deaths won't ever recur? Or we need to take your word for it?
You are advocating for those taking long term medication with unknown psychological side effects and you don't even entertain the thought that there might be questions around it? Does it make the possibility go away? Or is it a timing thing? How long should we wait before the questions become respectful? Another death which won't happen? Or should we just repeat "thoughts and prayers" and hope for the best? Or are there other questions which are more acceptable this minute? Because I know a host of people who don't want us to say how American this is or how ineffective the gun laws are who would say the exact same 'irrelevant ' line. I have so many questions about how to ask obvious questions of how preventable deaths occurred. Mothers lost their children today. They deserve to know the full truth. That is the respectful thing to do.

It's massively relevant. Men's crimes are constantly reported as being committed by women.

This bloke was called a woman in a press release today by West Yorkshire police.

It's vanishingly rare for women to commit violent crime. When reports call someone a transgender woman, it's very unclear what sex the person is. And after years of men's crimes being reported as committed by women, I question every single unusual female crime.

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What prejudice? You haven't challenged me on anything. I didn't even say a single opinion on this news story in my reply to you get you're saying I have an idealistic narrow view? About what? That people should be allowed to go on the gender discussion topic and talk about gender?

Ok Messy, what is it you want to say about the people that have been killed?

Completely relevant is it? Now? Really?
Fucks sake

Maybe it's about people who have been killed. What about that

Completely this ^

Uh no, what a snowflake argument. I'm not trying to stop anyone doing anything & I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Maybe you should leave eh? You don't like being challenged.
It's pathetic how people like you hide behind your own idealistic narrow view, making everything about your own prejudice.

Since they're referring to this person as a woman and transgender and using female pronouns, it must be a man. If this person was an actual woman who identified as transgender they'd use male pronouns, wouldn't they?

Or is it that if a man identifies as a woman and commits a crime, he's a woman, but if a woman identifies as a man and commits a crime she's still a woman?

@Katypyee Who's trans bashing? What the hell does that even mean, what an awful expression. People are trying to figure out the sex of the perpetrator. The only thing that's been disclosed in their gender and as you know, that can easily be different to their sex.
Unlike most other mass shooting reports, which happen daily in the US, this one had female plastered on every single headline because it's so so rare.
Before we start artificially inflating female crimes, people understandably want to know what happened and what the sex of this person is. I don't think that's unreasonable esp as these stats are extremely important in fighting for the safety of females and other vulnerable groups.