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FusionChefGeoff · 2023-03-27T21:37:26+00:00

That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

JaneJeffer · 28/03/2023 00:00

Kids died once again because the USA can’t get its shit together about gun control. Be fucking outraged about that, morons.
Fat lot of good outrage is. The USA doesn't want to change the law no matter how many children die. I'm not sure what people this side of the Atlantic can do about that.

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:56

Kerfuffler · 27/03/2023 23:48

Yep. Police say they have a theory for the motive based on the manifesto left by the shooter, and that gender/identity is one of the theories that's being investigated.

(about 4 min in).

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So what? How is that relevant? It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with the authority view. People don't most of the time, except when it suits...eh. They might have an entirely different approach & view than the general public or anyone else. Why should everyone agree with that

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FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2023 23:56

@Messyhair321 in this case, 'we' means 'others on this board who are against gender ideology'. I obviously didn't mean you?!

And of course, people of all sexes and 'genders' commit crimes. No one is saying they don't.

However....

Would you kindly quote me some statistics on female mass shooting perpetrators v male perpetrators?

Or murderers in general?

Or assault?

Or sexual assault?

As whilst the statistics still relate (mostly) to sex then you might see an interesting pattern emerging..

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Birdsweepsin · 27/03/2023 23:55

Hi @Dodgeitornot

I'm not talking about that, and I agree about the importance of sex in stats.

I'm talking about TRAs upset that the media are reporting this as a crime committed by a woman, using she/her pronouns - "they should be calling him Aiden, not Audrey"... that kind of thing.

I have no respect for Anyone who kills innocent children. Fuck off with your "this will be bad for the trans community". This is a Truly Heinous Act

Wiccan · 27/03/2023 23:53

PaterPower · 27/03/2023 23:45

“Where's the picture? This is the man who WYP called a woman in their press release he tied a disabled woman to her reclining chair and stabbed her, made her give him her PIN and stole money.”

The case you’re referring to is one man (a transwoman) stabbing another man (another transwoman). No natal women involved.

If that photo is what a man and society thinks a women looks like then without my makeup I look like Raquel Welsh !

dimorphism · 27/03/2023 23:53

The victims and their families deserve the truth.

This. It's insane that news outlets are putting this ideology above reporting the truth. How awful for the families and friends of the victims to not even be able to figure out basic facts about who the killer was.

OldCrone · 27/03/2023 23:52

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:47

Whole the fuck is 'we'. You speak for yourself
Wake the hell up, women do crime. All genders do.
Christ the fact that you are still talking about yourself says it all

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Men commit 90% of violent crime (source: ONS).

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 23:51

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:48

Obviously to you. Not to me though you can leave me out of it thanks

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Why? You seem keen to be involved, you're apparently happy for write that everyone is entitled to their opinion but I can't give you one? If you're a female than this really should matter to you. There is a reason why you have extra protections. You can say bye to those when 'female' murders and rapes shoot way up.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/03/2023 23:51

Kerfuffler · 27/03/2023 23:48

Yep. Police say they have a theory for the motive based on the manifesto left by the shooter, and that gender/identity is one of the theories that's being investigated.

(about 4 min in).

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Yes, it might well prove to be irrelevant but the police, at this point, do not think so.

It's almost as if people haven't bothered to listen to the police.

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:51

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/03/2023 23:48

All genders?

How many genders are there?

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Loads. Yes.

Tomanyhandbags · 27/03/2023 23:50

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 22:43

NBC are reporting it, so I think it’s beyond speculation now. A trans-identifying female. Second school shooting by a TIF in the last few years.
AFAIK there has never been a school shooting by someone biologically female but not trans-identifying.

Unfortunately one of the first US school shooters was a female back in the 70's, it inspired the Boomtown Rats hit I don't like Mondays as that was the only reason she would give for why she did it.

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 23:48

@Birdsweepsin There are unfortunately dead children every single day in the US thanks to their gun laws. If we start misrepresenting the sex of perpetrators in statistics, there will be a lot more dead children when women lose their vulnerable group status.

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:48

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 23:45

@Messyhair321 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Their gender identity doesn't matter yes but their sex and how they will be 'processed' does. It matters A LOT.

Obviously to you. Not to me though you can leave me out of it thanks

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/03/2023 23:48

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:47

Whole the fuck is 'we'. You speak for yourself
Wake the hell up, women do crime. All genders do.
Christ the fact that you are still talking about yourself says it all

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All genders?

How many genders are there?

Kerfuffler · 27/03/2023 23:48

lifeturnsonadime · 27/03/2023 23:44

No I am not gaslighting at all. You are all over this thread trying to say that the gender ID is irrelevant.

This is not what the police are saying. Listen to them.

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Yep. Police say they have a theory for the motive based on the manifesto left by the shooter, and that gender/identity is one of the theories that's being investigated.

(about 4 min in).

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OldCrone · 27/03/2023 23:48

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:43

Gaslighting. You are the one with no respect.
What an absolutely ridiculous argument.
The gender identity just doesn't matter. It's about loss of life right now, that's what it's about today. if you have to make it about your own prejudice that is very much your own issue.

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I agree that their gender identity doesn't matter. What we're discussing is this person's sex. That's what matters.

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Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:47

FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2023 23:43

I actually agree it's irrelevant if they're trans.

What is extremely relevant is if they are female or male.

And this case is showing how fucked up everything is with the media as no one knows what words mean anymore. And this is why everything else we've been banging on about fucking MATTERS.

And yes, I'm incensed that transwomen's crimes are reported as women's crimes and apparently so are trans men's crimes reported as women's crimes.

The double standards are APPALLING

Whole the fuck is 'we'. You speak for yourself
Wake the hell up, women do crime. All genders do.
Christ the fact that you are still talking about yourself says it all

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 27/03/2023 23:47

EsmaCannonball · 27/03/2023 23:22

It's really interesting that when a trans-identified female commits a terrible crime the media, even the left-leaning media, have no problem describing her as female and a woman, ignoring her he/him pronouns and using her deadname. If a trans-identified male had done this the media would have been monstered for not calling him a woman.

Absolutely. It’s almost as if they are looking for opportunities to identify women as perpetrators of violent crime.

Birdsweepsin · 27/03/2023 23:46

I'm seeing a lot of people online getting upset about the media "deadnaming" the shooter

There are dead children. For. FUCKS. SAKE.

EmmaEmerald · 27/03/2023 23:45

FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2023 23:43

I actually agree it's irrelevant if they're trans.

What is extremely relevant is if they are female or male.

And this case is showing how fucked up everything is with the media as no one knows what words mean anymore. And this is why everything else we've been banging on about fucking MATTERS.

And yes, I'm incensed that transwomen's crimes are reported as women's crimes and apparently so are trans men's crimes reported as women's crimes.

The double standards are APPALLING

well said.

PaterPower · 27/03/2023 23:45

“Where's the picture? This is the man who WYP called a woman in their press release he tied a disabled woman to her reclining chair and stabbed her, made her give him her PIN and stole money.”

The case you’re referring to is one man (a transwoman) stabbing another man (another transwoman). No natal women involved.

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 23:45

@Messyhair321 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Their gender identity doesn't matter yes but their sex and how they will be 'processed' does. It matters A LOT.

NotBadConsidering · 27/03/2023 23:45

The relevance is the fact that trans ideology has superceded truth, in this case in relation to the way the media behaves with factual reporting. Whether it’s this, the terrible media behaviour in Australia and NZ ignoring male violence towards women, the multiple media reports of rapists using “her penis”, truth has become something that has to take second place to appeasing ideologues. The victims and their families deserve the truth.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/03/2023 23:44

Messyhair321 · 27/03/2023 23:43

Gaslighting. You are the one with no respect.
What an absolutely ridiculous argument.
The gender identity just doesn't matter. It's about loss of life right now, that's what it's about today. if you have to make it about your own prejudice that is very much your own issue.

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No I am not gaslighting at all. You are all over this thread trying to say that the gender ID is irrelevant.

This is not what the police are saying. Listen to them.