NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

Admit it Crypto you've been here for So long you'd forgotten you are deep deep deep undercover. Just tell us you actually run the Norfolk branch of The NRA don't you!

At this point you have just jumped the shark.

Trawl? Trawl? Bloody Trawl?

Children, very young children are dead. 3 innocent adults won't make it home today. And your ethos is that we should read the right news source?

We should only talk about the right things but also only read the right things. If you were saying this was fake news, I'd be mindful but you just want to censor which facts we read now?

It's beggars belief that any news source is trying to shy away from any facts in this case. and then you want us to read only the facts you deem respectable? Can you see or hear yourself?

Respect is giving those left behind the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

For a discussion board on the topic of sex and gender there is a surprising number of new posters trying to deflect the attention away from the murderer’s sex and gender and onto gun control 🤷‍♀️

If my partner kills me I don't know that him being a transman should be the take away. I would hope the fact he killed me would be the upsetting part. Not that he identifies as a man. If he kills me it's due to some serious mental health issues, not that he has a vagina.

Well, why are you on the Sex and Gender board, then?

Tbf I suspect we have hit the ‘trending’ section and a bunch of Mumsnetters who don’t usually read the Feminism section are failing to notice where this thread is located before firing off their angry missives.
Then they are doubling down and pretending that of course they checked what section they were in before they started lecturing us about minimum public mourning periods while repeatedly failing to grasp the importance of accurate news reporting for serious crimes.

It wouldnt surprise me if the NRA were on this very thread, right now, trying to deflect the issue away from "Gun Control" to "Trans Control".

They won’t. It’s their constitutional right. The NRA have bought government. A parent can give a child under 18 a gun, but you have to be 21 to buy 🍷 or 🚬 . Some supermarkets sell guns, you pick it up while buying your bread and butter. They particularly like rifles and semi automatics.

When you have video evidence from around the world that show some trans people and friends behaving in the most vicious and intimidating way, it’s hardly surprising to read news articles about it. It’s not as if they are particularly shy about broadcasting their thuggish behaviour.

@Cailin66 agree . Shootings in the US will happen again next week /month/year . The attitude to guns will be pretty hard to change.

Before the suspects identity was even released, the story was huge news - 3 9 year olds were killed at school. It's hardly an example of trawling desperately...

Nobody is on the Sex and Gender board, per swe. This thread has popped up in trending.

Well, why are you on the Sex and Gender board, then?

Nobody is forcing you to be here, and there are other threads discussing the heartbreaking impact on this crime on the poor victims. Why don’t you go and post on one of those?

The fact that you heard about this crime and then chose to head over to the Sex and Gender board suggests that you, too, are choosing to make this into a sex/gender identity “issue.”

The UK had one school shooting, in Dunblane. We sorted the law, pretty much. The US is such an outlier on this issue that it's difficult to believe that we share the same galaxy, yet alone planet.

They trawl the internet for these stories. Anything that paints trans people in a bad light. It doesnt matter what source they use. Daily Mail, for example.

Woman is not a gender. No man who commits a crime should be included in female crime statistics. Crime reports should be accurate as to the sex of the Perpetrator and Victim.

I stopped discussing American school shootings when I realised after Sandy Hook that guns are more important to Americans than their own children’s safety. Because that epiphany really disturbed me.

Very carefully crafted piece in the guardian I see that avoids all pronouns completely and just says that Hale identified as transgender https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/27/tennessee-nashville-school-shooting-covenant?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Dunblane massacre perpetrator had a massive resentment towards authority after he was prevented from accessing young boys as a scout and boys club leader.

Just saying.

It's a current news story so of course, people are going to talk about it.
Like someone said up thread, if it were a right-wing MAGA Trump supporter there wouldn't be any complaint that it was being discussed. Why is that?

You're going to get the sex and gender ideology perspective on the sex and gender board.
If you don't like it, check out discussions - there's discussions with different focuses everywhere.

6 people are dead. How does gender identity come into this? Surely, the root of the problem is not trans ideology, but the availability of guns in that part of the world.

Indeed. According to The Guardian,

Drake [the* Nashville police chief] said Hale was a former student at the school. He also said Hale identified as transgender.*

Entry was gained by shooting through a door, Drake said, adding that maps had been drawn of the school, including entry points, and he said, “We have a manifesto, some writings that we’re going over.”

Asked if the suspect’s transgender identity had any bearing on the attack, Drake said “there was some theory to that [but] we’re investigating all the leads”.

Depends whether and how much testosterone was involved surely? Messing with hormones is very dangerous.

You what? How the hell would you know what the families are feeling or thinking?

You make assumptions about my own experiences of bereavement in this statement.

It's unique to everyone in respect of the manner of death and relationship with the deceased, but one thing I have come to learn through sad experience is that an important part of the grieving process is understanding the truth of what happened.

You are coming from a position of "it doesn't matter".

It does. It really, really does.

On 13 March 1996, local man Thomas Hamilton shot dead 16 children and their teacher, Gwen Mayor, in Dunblane Primary School's gymnasium before killing himself. He used his licensed weapons and ammunition.

There is a memorial to the 17 victims in the local cemetery and a cenotaph in the cathedral. There are also stained glass windows in Church of the Holy Rude, St Blanes and Lecropt tempering the Children and their Teacher.