NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

Rather bizarrely, the first person to jump a shark was Madeline Bassett while aquaplaning in Cannes at the start of PG Wodehouse's 1934 Right Ho, Jeeves. (It becomes a major plot point when her would-be fiance dismisses the shark as being "probably a dogfish".) Unlikely, I know. (Also off topic - sorry!)

No bother,
Ita a difficult discussion

Apologies, I misquoted the wrong post - I meant the one by @MsJD.

Can I ask, do you think people being judgey is the worst transpeople have to face? If not, what is it?

No. Obviously.

Nobody deserves to die. I dont think Christians in the UK are particularly transphobic. Many UK churches have a "come as you are" philosophy and dont judge.

WTAF?! Are you trying to justify this atrocity?

But for one of the very few female attackers to also be one the very few transgender people is so unlikely it's mind boggling.

Especially when you realise this is the second transman school shooter in under 3 years: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/maya-alec-mckinney-sentenced-deadly-stem-school-shooting/

Please clarify what you mean by this?

I hope you aren’t suggesting that 3 9 year
old children were murdered because they were pupils in a Christian school and all Christians and all pupils in Christian schools are transphobes?

To be fair to the media, news gets published so instantly nowadays that it's not surprising that this was reported so widely as a female crime. The perpetrator was shot dead. They only had appearance to go on. He looked like a woman and was probably physically a woman so it would be reported as a female attacker. It will have taken time for identification and perhaps even a bit longer than that to realise there were transgender issues involved. I don't imagine it means that it will be recorded as a female crime if mtf crimes get recorded as female crimes. They must have the same rule for whichever direction the dysphoria goes in. The reporting will probably correct itself to referring to the attacked by their male name and with male pronouns now that it's been worked out.

I'm very surprised this is the way it's gone. My thoughts were:
there are very few female attackers so it's unlikely to be a woman
there are very few transgender people so it's unlikely to be a man
I couldn't decide which scenario was more unlikely.
But for one of the very few female attackers to also be one the very few transgender people is so unlikely it's mind boggling.

That's just... you need to re-read that... in the full context of what the "reaction" was.

Are you saying there's a possible excuse for this?

Yes, transphobic ideology is the problem when trans people leave innocents dead.

This is the Sex and Gender board.

We’re here to discuss sex and gender.

The Independent has updated their online article in clear, easy to understand manner.

This means 2 out of a total of what, 5 or 6 female school shooters in a 45 year period have identified as transmen.

This is the previous case with a transman murderer (who had a male accomplice):

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/maya-alec-mckinney-sentenced-deadly-stem-school-shooting/

MsJD the irrelevant daily mail usually gives it race, age and religion data. It's the very thing you find despicable apparently...

What's your point?
Don't mention it until your newspaper of choice confirms it is morally OK?

Sounds like how Rotherham got away with it for so long... only look at the info from the right source... even if you know they aren't lying.

Possibly reacting to transphobic ideology. We will have to see.

if your partner killed you and you lived in my area and your partner was on the run and dangerous I'd like to know if i should be on the lookout for a man, a woman, a man pretending to be a woman or a woman pretending to be a man.

It was a Christian school .....

Yes 🤣🤣🤣

A sizeable proportion of people with gender dysphoria also have other mental health issues. Some of those may result in them hurting other people or themselves. Not all of them.

Trans Rights Activists frequently point out levels of self harm amongst people with gender problems, but not so much higher levels of harm to other people

When relevant. The shooter in this case left a manifesto, which appears to be why the police released the details that they did.

Or religion?

What about race? Is the race of assailant (UK) regularly given?

Really??! This thread began because the OP was doubtful about news reports that a woman had carried out a school shooting, given the massive statistical likelihood of males carrying out such attacks. To her astonishment, it appears that the perpetrator was indeed female. And yet it seems that the shooter was indeed transgender, just as the OP had wondered. I don't know what the odds are on that, but it has nothing to do with the despicable NRA.

Hopefully it never happens

But when tragedies like that do happen, all aspects of a persons life are examined. Smoked weed....
Depression...Work stress... early life traumas.
This is no different

Bit weird to talk about your romantic relationship on a thread about a mass school shooting with six dead, 3 of whom were children.