NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

And the OP had continued posting as more confusion has come to light which shows exactly what I talked about in my post.

What did you think I missed?

And when there is reason to discuss the sex and gender aspect to a horrific shooting, it may well be discussed here. If there is no sex and gender aspect but a general feminist aspect it still might be discussed here because this is where the traffic is.

You clearly have your own views about what should and shouldn’t be discussed about this incident. Why do you think that truth and accuracy in the media reporting is not important?

For instance, if there is a growth in female shooters, why? What is happening to cause female people to start acting like this?

And if it is true that 2 out of the 5 female shooters in history are trans people, why is that? Are their mental health issues being overlooked and not treated ? Is this trauma related that is being overlooked and not supported? Is there something else that could be causing this?

Nothing about this is out of sympathy for the people who died

There are different aspect to this incident that are relevant to be discussed on this board. It doesn’t state that it is a support thread.

Granted, I haven't checked, but maybe I'm wrong and all school shootings in America get discussed on this Women's Rights subforum.

Don’t be daft. We only discuss serious incident school shootings that are specifically relevant to the Sex and Gender topic.

The Violence Project defines a school shooting as ‘when a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week’

There have been 2,300 such incidents since 1970.
I doubt there are any Internet forums of any type where all of them are discussed.

https://k12ssdb.org/methodology-1

Actually, no, this thread was made to point out how the crimes committed by transwomen are being blamed on females and upping their statistic. Except the OP was mistaken and this actually was a crime committed by an actual female. Nothing about this is out of sympathy for the people who died. Granted, I haven't checked, but maybe I'm wrong and all school shootings in America get discussed on this Women's Rights subforum.

You seem to have your own deep prejudice on display clearly in this post. Rather than making ridiculous assumptions, maybe you should read why people are discussing issues such as ensuring children and adolescents receive evidence based treatments suited to their unique needs. Along with ensuring all children are properly safeguarded and that children and adolescents who have declared trans identities are not in danger due to loopholes in safeguarding. And that where sex based rights for all females, of any gender, are important, that those rights are prioritised over gender.

Rather than making accusations that we should be ashamed of ourselves, maybe you should seek to understand. And there are parents who post on this board who do have children or loved ones who have said they are trans. It seems you are the one who seems to be lacking in information.

And yet the world, including the victims and their families, deserve to have truth and accuracy around the reporting of events being recorded in media, in police and court documents and in history.

The sex of the person needs to be accurately reported. Imagine how distressing it is for those families to have this extra layer of speculation? All because as the story unfolds media may start using chosen pronouns rather than simply referring to sex and reporting sex based pronouns.

You reduce this to gun control. And that is a significant issue. But this reporting issue is much larger than gun control. This covers all events reported in the media.

If someone cannot trust the media reporting of a verifiable biological fact, sex, why would someone trust anything that media outlet publishes?

This thread is about the ambiguity of reporting of this horrific killing of people, including 3 children.

What is being highlighted here is the lack of clarity to the facts and how people can no longer trust the media. While you may fail to understand why people are posting, we fully understand the need for accuracy in how media reports news.

This includes reporting the sex of a person, and the accurate recording of that crime in the correct sex category.

You say trans people aren’t notorious for mass shootings. How notorious are female people for mass shootings when female people make up around half of the population?

Accuracy and truth in reporting around this horrific event is what is being discussed.

It’s a bit complicated to find the details because when you Google it the news reports that mention data are mostly about mass shooters which are a different category to school shooters.
These categories can overlap, but for an overlap to exist there has to be more than 4 fatalities (not including the shooter) in a school shooting.

Both categories seem to have a similar number of female perps (4 or 5) but until today, none of the female perps had committed crimes that put them in both categories (the previous transman school shooter only killed one person and most victims were only injured).

This is further complicated by some databases including college and universities in the school shootings category and others limiting the schools category to k-12 schools (US equivalent of infants to end of sixth form).

and the previous transman seems to have been recorded in the statistics as a male?

Talking about where the shooter is female

How did you get that the "last two" have been trans people? The case cited upthread was May 2019, nearly 4 years ago. The last shooting was, sadly, only a few days ago near Denver and there are no reports that the shooter was trans.

Unfortunately there are far too many guns and almost as bad, there's now a sort of cycle going on, a social contagion.

Yeah, but she's female, so no one cares about her wishes or her pronouns. If she had been a transwoman, however, it would be she/her/they/them.

It's very telling.

They've been using female pronouns all evening on the news here (US) despite the fact she's stated on SM that her pronouns are male. Her mother called her her 'daughter'.

RIP all those who died. Yet another senseless crime regardless of the perpetrator.

It's a very worrying statistic that the most recent 2 have both been transmen.

Do you happen to have the dates of the others?

I'm wondering what the gap between them is like on the other three shootings?

And if you think it’s a ‘stupid purpose for a board’ please do go start a thread complaining about it in the Site Stuff section.

We didn’t ask for it to be a dedicated board, it was a MNHQ decision.

The perspective is that this is the second transman school shooter in 3 years.
And there has only been 5 other female school shooters in 45 years

Anyone who genuinely cares about the welfare and safety of children is going to want such a startling statistic to be properly explored by criminologists in peer reviewed research.

No it's the corner of mumsnet where women get to put women first and discuss how our rights are being eroded because men with cocks claim to be lesbians.

It’s the corner of Mumsnet where people come to be nasty. I get it. Will purposely avoid it from now on. There is absolutely nothing confusing about reporting of the crime. What possible difference does it make to you what gender the killer is. Does it take away the fact there are children laying dead on the floor of their school? Would it make them automatically come to life if you knew what was between the legs of the person that killed them? Get some perspective.

some women on this board have transgender children. So maybe you should go find a board more to your liking because you are not going to be happy on this one.

This is a gun issue, an America issue, and a mental health issue. Not a bloody trans issue. Trans people aren't notorious for school shootings.

Check which board you are on. This isn't aibu. It's the corner of mumsnet where sex and gender is the sole purpose of the board you have posted on.

It doesnt mean we are uncaring monsters, but we are discussing the fact that the initial reporting of the shooting said female. This it's an odd crime for a woman to commit. Then transgender was thrown into the reporting, then transwoman then transman.

This is the problem with anyone claiming to be any sex it makes the reporting of crimes confusing. We are not disrespecting the victims and their families and their loss and suffering, but this board is not focused on that element of news items.

Well, it is a stupid purpose for a board. I actually can’t believe there is a forum that is just for being discriminatory against others. It’s awful and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Get a life. You better hope that one day one of your children don’t come to you and say that they are transgender or some other thing you find offensive.

Biologically female is what news is reporting here (from the US). FTM and preferred pronouns were he/him. So I believe they were born female and went by male pronouns etc. A disgusting, heartless crime regardless of their gender but unfortunately I fear this news about their gender identity will now play into the hands of those determined to protect their guns at all costs and will be labeled ‘an attack on their faith and way of life.’

This the sex and gender board.

If you aren’t interested in analysing current news events through the lens of sex and gender, that’s fine.

But it’s the literal purpose of this board.

Wow! Really?

I’ve always associated it with The Fonz.

every day is a school day!

What is wrong with you people? Six people are dead, including three children and your biggest worry (and gossip) is that the killer is transgender? What possible difference does tht make? The issue at hand is the out of control gun deaths in the U.S., not what gender the person doing the killing is.

I believe @1Week was sarcastically responding to MrsJD!