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Trans woman threatened with physical violence by 'TERF'

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wontbesilencedbyyou · 27/03/2023 22:05

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11868077/SF-woman-threatens-punch-transgender-TikTok-star-expletive-filled-tirade-caught-video.html#reader-comments

Sharing this here as I feel it's important to see both sides on a forum like this, where there are many articles shared about scenes getting nasty at protests, and I haven't seen anything about it yet. Lilly was accosted whilst literally just eating a salad and live streaming.

My opinion: It's sad, and makes me fearful for the future.

San Francisco transgender woman is verbally assaulted while eating

Lilly Contino was enjoying her food at the Union Square, San Francisco restaurant when the elderly woman sitting at a nearby table spit transphobic comments at her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11868077/SF-woman-threatens-punch-transgender-TikTok-star-expletive-filled-tirade-caught-video.html#reader-comments

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RosaBonheur · 30/03/2023 09:50

"full time content creator"

Aye, I'll bet.

RoseslnTheHospital · 30/03/2023 09:05

www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/viral-tiktok-cheesecake-factory-17832648.php

A non DM source for the story.

pettysquabbles · 30/03/2023 08:56

Florissante · 30/03/2023 07:25

Your loss.

Not really. I boycott the DM in the same way I do other vile companies e.g. Nestle. Now mint Aero's.....they are a loss.

DerekFaker · 30/03/2023 08:30

pettysquabbles · Yesterday 09:12

It's in the Daily Fail so O'm not even going to read it.

Oh ffs 🙄

twitterexile · 30/03/2023 07:41

KvotheTheBloodless · 29/03/2023 09:55

That's terrible, and really wrong - it should never have happened, and the woman who was harassing the lady filming should have been escorted out straight away.

Thankfully such incidents are rare, but that doesn't make it OK.

Lady?! 😂

Florissante · 30/03/2023 07:25

pettysquabbles · 29/03/2023 09:12

It's in the Daily Fail so O'm not even going to read it.

Your loss.

DerekFaker · 29/03/2023 11:06

Hoppinggreen · 29/03/2023 10:16

They are rare if you are a straight white man

But not if you're somewhere outside the 'norm'. People who are 'different' have always been picked on.

Hoppinggreen · 29/03/2023 10:18

anyolddinosaur · 29/03/2023 09:55

Everyone should be able to eat a meal in peace, not being bothered by random people.

I've been pestered by random men before now. I've had to tell them to go away and even had to ask staff to intervene. If I filmed it no-one would watch that, though.

Males, whatever they wear and whatever drugs they are on, are normally physically stronger than women. This person was not really worried in the slightest about their safety and knew that they would get help if they needed it. Women are not so lucky.

Completely agree. It’s wrong and should not have happened.
However, I imagine Lily was not terrified that the old lady would physically attack them and even if that happened I think we know who would come off worst

Hoppinggreen · 29/03/2023 10:16

KvotheTheBloodless · 29/03/2023 09:55

That's terrible, and really wrong - it should never have happened, and the woman who was harassing the lady filming should have been escorted out straight away.

Thankfully such incidents are rare, but that doesn't make it OK.

They are rare if you are a straight white man

anyolddinosaur · 29/03/2023 09:55

Everyone should be able to eat a meal in peace, not being bothered by random people.

I've been pestered by random men before now. I've had to tell them to go away and even had to ask staff to intervene. If I filmed it no-one would watch that, though.

Males, whatever they wear and whatever drugs they are on, are normally physically stronger than women. This person was not really worried in the slightest about their safety and knew that they would get help if they needed it. Women are not so lucky.

KvotheTheBloodless · 29/03/2023 09:55

That's terrible, and really wrong - it should never have happened, and the woman who was harassing the lady filming should have been escorted out straight away.

Thankfully such incidents are rare, but that doesn't make it OK.

Hoppinggreen · 29/03/2023 09:48

A Woman would be very unlikely to film or even be very bothered by a drunk person harassing them unless they were very frightened or physically assaulted.
Having some idiot abuse you for your appearance is so unusual that we just shrug and think “whatever”

WickedSerious · 29/03/2023 09:40

He needs Rainbow Tea Room Man.

Autienotnautie · 29/03/2023 09:40

@Helleofabore it's been a while since we have chatted! How are you? You are of course correct. I agree with your point about culpability. It's not black and white but that doesn't mean every trans person is responsible for a few trans peoples actions and for a lot of non trans people's decision making/ignorance/collusion.

Saltywalruss · 29/03/2023 09:38

Why was this encounter being filmed?

DerekFaker · 29/03/2023 09:31

I mean, if you insist on calling everyone a terf, even people like Matt Walsh, then of course it loses its meaning and anyone can claim the label. But it's not a slur, no sireee.

Helleofabore · 29/03/2023 09:23

“The majority of trans people are not bad. Another thing that is problematic is identity, currently anyone can switch identity pretty much on a whim and within that there's a risk of that being used for bad ie men saying they are women to access women's spaces to do harm. That's what needs to change not trans people”.

Good people do allow ‘bad’ things to happen in the name of tolerance or turn a blind eye to ‘bad’ things .

We are constantly told to ‘accept without exception’ by supposedly ‘good’ people. That mantra allows for harm to be done more easily through lowering of boundaries. Do you deny this?

The push to force acceptance of any male who wants entrance into female single sex spaces has absolutely allowed harm to be done.

That is just the start. That doesn’t even cover the political agenda that was allowed to be prioritised above providing best care for children and adolescents needing care for gender dysphoria. Nor sports, nor representative roles for female people being given to males, nor the very wide impact of gender identity ideology across the spectrum of the sex based rights of the female half of the population.

You might like to separate the world into ‘good’ and ‘bad’, however, I now consider any person who has supported actions which has allowed harm to occur to females of all ages to be complicit in that harm. It needs to be owned by even those who have attempted to shame women discussing these issues that concern them on MN.

What needs to change is the mantras need to stop. That the outcomes need to be acknowledged and understood how this has come about. That supporters who blindly silenced women acknowledge their part too. And that a group of people with unique needs now work to have those needs met without allowing, intentionally or not, harm to other groups or within that group where groups intersect (as is the case of female trans people and children).

Denying that this has all happened due to a group within the trans community and their own political agenda will help no one.

pettysquabbles · 29/03/2023 09:12

It's in the Daily Fail so O'm not even going to read it.

CuriouslyDifferent · 29/03/2023 09:08

Video is from SF. I have a hard time believing it wasn’t provoked in that part of the world. If you’ve been there you’ll know what I mean.

Silverperch · 29/03/2023 09:01

Not to pull rank but my teenage niece, who has been shut in her room for months, got herself back to school recently and was flashed by a man on the way home, right near her house.
My heart hurts for her because she has a lifetime of this ahead as a human in a female body. She certainly didn't have the foresight to film it, and is far too traumatised to post about it on social media.

Autienotnautie · 29/03/2023 08:54

@Florissante it isn't the same . I really hope you know that. Giving examples doesn't mean everything is the same. For example I could give examples of different shoes I own. The shoes are not are the same, the quality differs, comfort level , and price. They are not the same . Does that example make it easier for you to understand?

My point is bad people doing bad things is the issue and an eye for an eye is an appalling reaction. The majority of trans people are not bad. Another thing that is problematic is identity, currently anyone can switch identity pretty much on a whim and within that there's a risk of that being used for bad ie men saying they are women to access women's spaces to do harm. That's what needs to change not trans people .

nilsmousehammer · 29/03/2023 07:34

Look, pattern recognition is not some social crime. It's a necessity in terms of safeguarding. If that messes with your nice liberal values, then perhaps it's time to take another look at the reality of those values, because blunt denial that 'I am not looking at the patterns at all because ick' is as unhelpful and prejudiced as 'I've spotted a pattern and am labelling an entire group by it'.

Grown ups can talk about and respond to information without going tribal, picking sides and shouting at everyone else.

Florissante · 29/03/2023 07:03

Autienotnautie · 29/03/2023 06:55

Yes I dislike the narrative that tran people (primarily trans women) are bad. Some people are bad and really how they identify is irrelevant. What happened there is wrong, the shooting in America is wrong, women being raped in hospital is wrong. Society ie politicians/law/ law enforcement needs to do better at protecting us (especially women as we are undeniably more at risk) from bad people .

Yes. A person recording a spat in the restaurant the equivalent to women being raped in hospitals.

Good grief.

Autienotnautie · 29/03/2023 06:55

Yes I dislike the narrative that tran people (primarily trans women) are bad. Some people are bad and really how they identify is irrelevant. What happened there is wrong, the shooting in America is wrong, women being raped in hospital is wrong. Society ie politicians/law/ law enforcement needs to do better at protecting us (especially women as we are undeniably more at risk) from bad people .

Justcallmebebes · 29/03/2023 06:36

Tontostitis · 27/03/2023 22:14

Smells like bs to me

Absolutely. This has set up written all over it

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