Julia Hartley Brewer and Kellie Jay

I don't think she's right or left in any tribalistic way. I think she just believes what she believes and is not afraid to say what those beliefs are. She won't conform, and that is what some people dislike about her.

JHB is not far right!!

Will people please stop monstering right wing women? JHB is a mainstead centrist/right of centre journalist. Her general philosophy I would describe as old fashioned liberalism, I.e. free speech, personal responsibility, tolerance etc. But like most of us, she has a range of views that cover a political spectrum.

If you can't cope with that or it makes you "deeply uncomfortable" maybe you need to ask yourself what's behind your demands for ideological purity. Because it's not healthy, at all.

Is part of the issue that if someone on the "far right" seems to have insight on one issue, maybe people need to consider that their other views might be less bad than they imagined?

Often it is people who don't care too much about being unpleasant that will stick their neck out over controversial issues. So I am not surprised that you might also hear a somewhat unpleasant comment like the one about GT. She doesn't care about playing nice or sounding like a dick and just says what she thinks, which is that GT is kind of pathetic. (Not saying I agree, but I think that is what her point is.)

I've seen that pattern with a lot of people and although they can be grating individuals they do have an important social role I think.

If women can’t speak about an issue that affects them without fear of violence in retaliation

And they can’t even speak about the violence when it happens because one side prefers to ignore them

Then we really are fucked. And JHB is the least of our problems

The extrapolation around JHB is really amusing

I listen to her show most mornings and have done for a few years.

These days, I don't really care what leaning someone is, I just care that they actually have the courage to say whatever they think. Not what they think they should think, but what they actually think.

I don't get the whole "I feel uncomfortable sharing the same views".

How old are people? 5? You can agree with people on some topics without being in agreement with anything else they say. You may not be even coming from the same angle, same place. You're talking like a gender ideologist if your views are so narrow.

Why does sharing the same views diminish and take away from the interview?

KJK is amazing. She survived a terrifying experience when her life was in real danger, flew home 40 hours door to door and instead of collapsing weeping into the arms of her family like most of us would she slapped in the makeup and got straight out there doing interviews when she must barely have had time for a cup of coffee.

I don't know how she does it but she truly is a legend.

(Which happens to be my ear worm today, courtesy of Julia Long!).

I think this is absolutely the issue in a nutshell.

My politics fall naturally centre left but there are very, very few people who share my political views who are willing to come out and stand up for women.

I agree with the Tories on very little, and Boris Johnson on even less. And yet I found myself in the difficult position of acknowledging that he spoke a lot of common sense when he was talking about biological sex and gender identity. The Conservatives are the only party who are largely standing up for women - and I have no disillusions here, I realise it's also to win votes.

I align with the Tories on pretty much nothing else - but women's rights are a single vote issue for me right now. But I also think more of the Conservatives would be catastrophic for our country. So what do I do when the time comes to vote? It's a dilemma lots of left-leaning women are finding themselves in.

And it's the case for right-wing political commentators/journalists too. I have JHB blocked on Twitter as I don't want to see her unpleasant vitriol. But there are other similar right-wingers ie/Candace Owens et al. I don't want to be amplifying their voice, and yet they're the only ones who are supporting women.

It's just bloody frustrating that there's no one high profile on the left who's prepared to support us, other than Rosie Duffield but she's not what I would describe as a high profile figure.

I don’t watch this kind of TV at all so actually am unaware of JHB

I see some posts attempting to discredit the points made

Which specific points in that interview alone do you disagree with?

And if the left are ready to wash over violence and ignore women’s voices who will let us speak?

Brilliant interview.

Just shows the insanity of it all.

I very rarely agree with JHB, and I have heard her spout some deeply unpleasant views.

The fact that we're on the same "side" when it comes to gender ideology makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don't agree with her on other issues, and I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as her.

I wish it wasn't far right individuals like JHB who were the ones standing up for women.

As a fairly trivial example, JHB preferred to back suspected rapist, alleged human trafficker, misogynistic Andrew Tate over Greta Thunberg saying "I’d choose Andrew Tate's life every single time over the life of a half-educated, autistic, doom-mongering eco-cultist". Bearing in mind the rest of the sentence is criticism, why has she mentioned Greta's autism? She's using Greta's autism as a slur. JHB is vile.

Any women and I mean a real woman not a tanswomen in other words male speaking out against how lanuage is being changed how women and girls are being put in danger and having their safety concerns ignored to suit males so they can have their needs meet I support as they are putting their careers and reputations on the line

Men speaking out not surprisingly are not subjected to the cancelling and violent hatred on sm

no surprise there

Oh dear.

I dont think HoO is far right either but the media and some NGO's delight in describing them as such.

They're not far right either. They're right wing, not fascists.

For the posters who twitch about the far right, what do you think about Heart of Oaks having helped a Rotherham survivor win a huge financial award in the High court today against her rapist? Are they still the irredeemably evil and beyond the pale bad guys?
https://archive.ph/8r4nn

I have just noticed the tweet seems even older than the earlier link.

So bad thing 6 years ago, bad thing 7 years ago!

7 years ago.....my views on all sorts of things have shifted over 7 years.

I'm going to have to cancel myself.

Goodbye farewell

JHB is awesome and I don't need to agree with her every utterance to think so. And i don't go in for offence archaeology.

She does indeed seem to be defending him.

I'd have to go and do an awful lot of reading on a politician and speech that happened before I was born to try to work out where she's coming from and why Tony Blair said what he said. I'll be honest my brain isn't going to take it in tonight!

But thank you for the Twitter link. I'd have never found that!

There were a number of accusations made in respect of LM by people formally close to them. I won't go into any detail but it's not hard to find (google name and accusations).

LM's profile isn't thus quite what it used to be in respect of being a "poster person" for pretty much anything - other than themself.

This is where she said it:

https://twitter.com/noirmj/status/775434032750465024?s=61&t=ONvRKaVGQGpQEV6-b6Z5EQ

Here's a screenshot of the link. I don't really see why she said she was not defending Powell but thought the speech was factually ok. I disagree with her on a lot of things, including this tweet, Brexit, climate change and many more but she was one of the first people to argue that trans women should not be in women's prisons.

@Thedarkestblue - thank you for introducing me to JHB - I had never heard of her before.

And I am sure - as with literally every single other person on the planet - I will disagree with her on some issues.

On this issue, she is speaking the unmitigated truth.

Is that it? Is there more?

I'm not about to tar and feather her for a conversation from over 6 years ago.

I mean I could go in search myself, but as I don't do purity spirals unless there is something this woman had done that is illegal I'm really a meh type of person.

Can someone outline the views that might be «repugnant»?

This kind of thing:
"Julia Hartley-Brewer claims women in Westminster ‘accept advances from MPs’ in blazing on-air row

This morning’s Lorraine boiled over into a debate on sexual harassment after Julia Hartley-Brewer claimed that some women send out the ‘wrong signals’."

metro.co.uk/2017/11/01/julia-hartley-brewer-claims-women-in-westminster-accept-advances-from-mps-in-blazing-on-air-row-7044918/

She's a thoroughly unpleasent individual who happens to have landed on the right side on this one issue.

Have you got the link to back that up?