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We just wanted to talk, to read a poem, and we were beaten up: Let Women Speak

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Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 17:17

This may have been shared but since these brave wahine didn’t get to speak at the event, I think a thread dedicated to them speaking is the least we could do. The Platform allowed women to call up and speak. I’m only 30 minutes in, the fourth woman is so tearful it’s quite a hard listen. She is clearly traumatised. Please listen, please leave a comment if you can. I’m so heartbroken about it. I know some of these women who were attending. Whanau ( family ) and friends attended. They’re all completely in shock. Angry, broken, feeling completely overwhelmed. They’ve been called far right, Nazis, when a large portion are long time Maori rights activists, Labour supporters, and many are older women. Some have nothing to do with any feminist groups, they just wanted to be heard. Read a poem. Talk about their lives. Their fears.

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Thedarkestblue · 28/03/2023 08:18

OneMorePlant · 27/03/2023 18:25

It is all terrifying. Not just the mob and violence.

But politicians or people with money and power organised to set women up and endanger them. Let's really think of this. These women were set up. They know they have been set up. Their lives were not deemed worth protecting because they want single sex spaces.

Who set them up? And who is going to find out and charge those people for attempted murder? Because Kellie-Jay barely made it out alive lets be honest.

This.

you know what? TRAs have a point. Words can be violence. But it’s their words. The frenzy of slurs and name calling mud slinging and lies., The demonization that is the same demonization that has been used throughout history to legitimize violence against groups of people. The politicians using lies and slurs, the media lying and distorting in their presentation. The silence from politicians who should be defending democratic debate, the slurs from politicians against GC women, ALL of these people have created and enabled a situation where women were traumatized and could have been murdered that day.

Words can be violence.
Silence can be violence.

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 08:11

The women speakers were so brave and inspiring. Brilliant idea to give them a platform and make a document of their vitally important voices.

Im sure we will hear from some of them in different forms later, but I think immediately after the event is important, so we can hear their genuine feelings directly after. They are clearly rattled and traumatised, as anyone would be. The media easily smeared Posie, but how could they possibly do that to these crying distressed women? I mean they might, but I think they’re hoping nobody will listen because of the platform.

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nilsmousehammer · 28/03/2023 08:10

Brilliant idea to give them a platform and make a document of their vitally important voices.

It was indeed. I much appreciated the presenter's repeated reminder to men on the phone lines that they would not be speaking while there were women waiting to talk. Very much KJK's belief: to create a situation in which women's voices are the point and focus.

beastlyslumber · 28/03/2023 08:08

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:19

I’ve mentally blocked a poster who had comments removed that were racist to me. I’d appreciate it if all of you could also do the same and ignore this person who likes to follow me around and harass me, also did this to another Maori poster last year.

The focus on this thread is the women and what they had to say, not on what platform they were on. Everyone else smeared them and beat them before they got the chance. Thanks.

Understood.

The women speakers were so brave and inspiring. Brilliant idea to give them a platform and make a document of their vitally important voices.

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 08:03

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landOFconfusion · 28/03/2023 08:01

WinterTrees · 28/03/2023 07:54

I KNEW someone would come along sooner or later with some reason for this being buried or discredited.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of posts here have been entirely focused on women's voices and testimony. They are all that matter.

Nobody has asked you to bury or discredit this.

I’ve politely asked people not to thank Sean Plunket. As my aunties would say, he is taku weriweri (disgusting).

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 08:00

They are all that matter.

Yes they are. I hope the lady who was so upset at the start is ok. I have really bad anxiety and it’s very common, 1 in 2 people experience it so the thought of being caught up in that… it’s just scary.

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WinterTrees · 28/03/2023 07:54

I KNEW someone would come along sooner or later with some reason for this being buried or discredited.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of posts here have been entirely focused on women's voices and testimony. They are all that matter.

nilsmousehammer · 28/03/2023 07:52

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:51

@nilsmousehammer thanks. We don’t have a lot of media, all have to get government support and a couple of smaller ones wouldn’t exist without that. The two main ones are Stuff & The Herald. None have ever been neutral or fair on this issue.

That makes even more sense in the light of what the women were saying Sad

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:52

@MarshaBradyo thanks, yes I’m glad everyone can see they follow me around, as they did to another Maori person last year. It’s disturbing, especially as comments were removed disparaging my mother and grandmother who raised me.

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Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:51

@nilsmousehammer thanks. We don’t have a lot of media, all have to get government support and a couple of smaller ones wouldn’t exist without that. The two main ones are Stuff & The Herald. None have ever been neutral or fair on this issue.

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Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:49

@HBGKC yes shocking they had to get protection from that particular group! Off all people but at least they don’t think women should be subject to violence.

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nilsmousehammer · 28/03/2023 07:47

Makes me very grateful that in the UK we have women journalists like Janice Taylor who have fought and fought to get truth and reality put up, however 'transphobic' any negative reality is framed as being.

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2023 07:46

We can still hear the women.

It doesn’t matter how much they post to try to hide it but I can see it’s troubling them enough to follow you around op.

nilsmousehammer · 28/03/2023 07:46

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:19

I’ve mentally blocked a poster who had comments removed that were racist to me. I’d appreciate it if all of you could also do the same and ignore this person who likes to follow me around and harass me, also did this to another Maori poster last year.

The focus on this thread is the women and what they had to say, not on what platform they were on. Everyone else smeared them and beat them before they got the chance. Thanks.

I will be glad to.

Following the women's concerns about the media intentionally creating false impressions that 'nothing much happened' which is not at all matching what people who were there are saying and showing films of, Whaenui are you aware of any of the media being more reliable on this than others, or is it seeming to be a blanket thing?

HBGKC · 28/03/2023 07:44

Ofcourseshecan · 27/03/2023 21:34

I'm having difficulty playing this part of the recording back again, but I think the men who protected some women from the trans mob may have been fundamentalist Christians.

Yes, they were. The Christian men were using their own bodies to shield the women as they were trying to get away from the mob.

Don't know if this has already been posted elsewhere:

(I don't agree entirely with her take on the bigger societal picture, but it gives a good feeling of what the event must have been like.)

landOFconfusion · 28/03/2023 07:42

As woman with Māori whakapapa who has suffered the indignity of having my reo erased on this very forum because it offends the ears of non-speakers, I’d be grateful if you’d all stop thanking Sean Plunket - a man who was fined by the Broadcasting Standards Authority after they ruled he had amplified negative Māori stereotypes, misinformed listeners, ridiculed Te Tiriti and insulted Te Whānau ā Apanui.

I would have thought that his decision to act abusively towards the GC advocate Ani O’Brien would have disqualified him from your adoration, but I guess that’s all forgiven and she should ‘just get over it’ now that he’s a GC hero.

Employee alleges broadcaster Sean Plunket yelled at her, punched desk

An editor at new media start-up The Platform says she was yelled and sworn at by founder Sean Plunket, before he "punched a desk" standing just a metre in front of her.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/484434/employee-alleges-broadcaster-sean-plunket-yelled-at-her-punched-desk

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 07:19

I’ve mentally blocked a poster who had comments removed that were racist to me. I’d appreciate it if all of you could also do the same and ignore this person who likes to follow me around and harass me, also did this to another Maori poster last year.

The focus on this thread is the women and what they had to say, not on what platform they were on. Everyone else smeared them and beat them before they got the chance. Thanks.

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EndlessTea · 28/03/2023 07:05

I heard women who were given space to talk out and share their ordeal and I found it moving.

Funny how women speaking and being heard is painted as crossing the line by some.

nilsmousehammer · 28/03/2023 07:00

I hear those women.

That you are afraid to says all I need to know.

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2023 06:50

landOFconfusion · 28/03/2023 03:58

Since nobody else wants to talk about, Sean Plunket is New Zealand’s version of Tucker Carlson.

His media company is bankrolled by a secretive wealthy family called the Wrights who made a massive fortune from retirement homes and private childcare centres. They use Plunket’s media platform to lobby against rises in the minimum wage, lowering of company taxes, against increased regulation of the aged care an and early-childhood education sectors, and the removal of Te tiriti from its position at the centre of NZ common law.

It’s interesting to see people lap up his media content uncritically. Like Fox News in the USA the content that Plunket produces is intended to inflame viewers rather than inform.

He can’t manipulate the women who are speaking.

Their emotion is raw and real.

Simce no one else there seems happy to even let them speak without that Avenue we wouldn’t be hearing from them at all.

I know you’re trying to shut down all avenues for these women but tough really, we see the footage and can hear their painful experiences.

landOFconfusion · 28/03/2023 03:58

Since nobody else wants to talk about, Sean Plunket is New Zealand’s version of Tucker Carlson.

His media company is bankrolled by a secretive wealthy family called the Wrights who made a massive fortune from retirement homes and private childcare centres. They use Plunket’s media platform to lobby against rises in the minimum wage, lowering of company taxes, against increased regulation of the aged care an and early-childhood education sectors, and the removal of Te tiriti from its position at the centre of NZ common law.

It’s interesting to see people lap up his media content uncritically. Like Fox News in the USA the content that Plunket produces is intended to inflame viewers rather than inform.

Feministwoman · 28/03/2023 03:30

Fabulous posts, so very sad at what happened.

Solidarity to our NZ sisters

Can anyone provide a translate of the Maori language terms?

I'd love to know more, but I've tried google translate, it seems Utterly fucking useless.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 27/03/2023 23:40

Kia kaha wahines.

We are a global grassroots group and none of us will wheesht.

I am so pleased your voices are on that recording and I will share it with the friends, probably about to be ex friends, I have in NZ.

I am upset for you and I understand how scared you were. Your courage is inspiring

Slothtoes · 27/03/2023 23:23

Just finished listening, that was really powerful and hard to hear.
Rise up women.

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