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Speakers Corner 26 March - a record

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pombear · 26/03/2023 21:56

In admiration of those who spoke today, and to ensure that your words are not drowned out and not heard. Here's a transcript (with apologies for any mis-types or mis-heards!)

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pombear · 26/03/2023 23:22

pombear · 26/03/2023 23:17

Women spoke.

Some people didn't like it and tried to drown their voices out. Here is what they said.

Men can't be women. Women can't be men.

Women's safety, privacy and dignity is important.
Children's safety is paramount.

Sorry you haven't got time to read the testaments of women speaking in a really intimidating space in London today.

Oh, and Julia Long apparently aspires to be dignified. Which I'm 😮about!

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pombear · 26/03/2023 23:17

Lydiahateswashing · 26/03/2023 23:06

TLDR version?

Women spoke.

Some people didn't like it and tried to drown their voices out. Here is what they said.

Men can't be women. Women can't be men.

Women's safety, privacy and dignity is important.
Children's safety is paramount.

Sorry you haven't got time to read the testaments of women speaking in a really intimidating space in London today.

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Lydiahateswashing · 26/03/2023 23:06

TLDR version?

EndlessTea · 26/03/2023 23:05

Thank you so much pombear

This a lot of work and I really appreciate it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2023 22:51

Thank you pombear. The trans extremists tried to silence women but you've let the women be heard. Flowers

HandShoe · 26/03/2023 22:45

Thank you so much for doing this. Great to be able to ‘hear’ the speeches

FriendofJoanne · 26/03/2023 22:36

Thank you @pombear and all of the women who went today. Fantastic speeches

BlessedKali · 26/03/2023 22:33

THIS IS AMAZING, THANK YOU!!

Turnipworkharder · 26/03/2023 22:21

Thank you so much for doing this 🍷

pombear · 26/03/2023 22:17

Link to film of today

LWS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqntt2fejfc

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:15

I just want to say, after what’s happened, what happened in Auckland, New Zealand, a man pretending to be a woman said he got a sexual kick out of being violent towards Posie and the others standing for women who were there. And that’s who they are. We don’t often find that they admit to having this sexual perversion but they have, so now we can publicise this. Now we can tell the world that they’ve actually admitted to getting their sexual kick out of being violent towards women. (Speaker 19)

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ArabellaScott · 26/03/2023 22:14

Brilliant, thank you pombear.

pombear · 26/03/2023 22:14

I want to speak to these guys (gestures to TRAs) Can I have that sign again? (is passed a sign saying ‘Lesbians Don’t Like Dick’) I wanted to say to all of you, you are homophobes. You are homophobes. Go home. Apologise to your mothers. You are homophobic misogynistic aresholes. Your flag was designed by a paedophile, your flag was designed by a cross-dressing fetishist. Go home. Apologise to your mothers. (Speaker 18)

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:14

I just asked the police if they could keep the crowd further back and they said no, they’ve got a right to protest. So I said, we’ve got a right to speak, and he just repeated, well they’ve got a right to protest. These are the Metropolitan Police who have just been criticised in a report for being institutionally misogynistic. These are the Metropolitan Police, a member of whom murdered and raped a woman called Sarah Everard. The Metropolitan Police do not want us to speak. That’s why they are letting everybody come in and drown out our voices. (Speaker 17)

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:13

I’m here for those girls, I was a tomboy I am in technology, those girls are being told today they’re not valid girls, you’re not real girls, if you like maths, if you’ve got a mind of your own, if you can speak for yourself, and it’s wrong. Those girls need to grow up and like us they can be women in engineering, women in technology, build things, make a better world, you can do that as a woman, as a girl. Good on you girls, keep going (Speaker 16)

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:13

Speaker 16:

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:13

Speaker 15:
Let’s just be clear, this lot with their pink and blue flags are the acceptable face of misogyny and homophobia, and don’t forget that.

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:12

As you can see, there aren’t actually very many of them but the police have let them surround us because they don’t care about our free speech. Their human rights are more important than our human rights according to the Metropolitan Police and it just happens to be that on Thursday of this week the Met Police was found to be institutionally misogynistic, racist and homophobic. They didn’t mention transphobic, because they’re not transphobic, they support the trans over the rest of us. (Venice)....not posting quite right there!

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:12

Venice:

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:12

Venice:

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:11

Speaker 14:
Hi, I’m from Fair Cop, we send support and admiration and love to Kellie Jay. We admire her constant fight for free speech. To all the brave and wonderful women who speak at every meeting here too. You’re heroines. Fair Cop communicate with the politicians and forces ,police forces, constantly and we will keep fighting alongside you daily to keep free speech alive. Because we’re with you, in your mission to Let Women Speak.

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:11

Speaker 13:
This may be just for the benefit of the video because I don’t have a loud voice. But I really wanted to talk to parents and I want parents to know what happens when your child is allowed to wait. When all you do is support your child and you wait, and this is what happens.

My son emailed me his story of his development and that’s all I want to do, I want to read it to you, so I’m going to read it to you right now.

“As a young child, I had always felt discomfort around being a boy. I was effeminate, shy and highly aware of the masculine boyishness around me that made me so uncomfortable. I can recall feeling devastated whenever a teacher would separate the class based on sex, and I couldn’t wait for the moment my imprisonment with these people was over. It was clear that they were them and I was not exactly part of an us, but I was definitely something other than them.

At that age I remember thinking ‘god I wish I’d been born a girl’. I remember being 10 or 11 years old and telling my mum that I’m not a boy or a girl, I’m something in the middle. I was aware of my male body but I saw it as something like a burden, rather than something neutral. And definitely something distant. Whenever my parents would call me ‘son’ I felt an almost blurry nausea and incongruity. ‘Please don’t call me that’ I said. During my teen years I pored over queer youtube. I learned the vernacular of the gays, I learned the gospel that Blaire White is sacrilegious and I looked up to people like Contrapoints and PhilosophyTube who was not Abigail back then. They and the others took me on an intellectual tour of the Terf Wars and other gay matters through a philosophical lens. I learned that gender was an innate energy and that attempts to define it was always shrouded in transphobia.

I was a very dogmatic 16 year old. I grew my hair out and I wore very flamboyant clothes of either sex. I was regularly referred to in the feminine, and although my goal wasn’t to be read as a woman this gave me that sense of gender euphoria. My goal, I believed, was to break free from the burden of gender.

At 18 I was depressed and it was at this moment I acknowledged the fear and suspicion that had been building for years. That I was one of the unlucky ones, born in the wrong body, that I was trans. I looked at my reflection with disappointment and fear at the upcoming changes the future had in store for me. I wasn’t excited at all but to me this seemed the only way forward. I didn’t want to transition, I just wanted to have been born a woman. A female. I can’t thank the stars enough that my parents never took me to see a gender therapist. Had they done so, I would have been overjoyed as a pre-pubescent child. It would have made everything make sense. ‘Aha, I’m a girl inside and I was just born in the wrong body. Tell me more. Wait, you can change my body to make it the right gender, sex, oh wow, please when can we start? ’. It frightens me how much I know it could have been me because it took me until I was 19 for my gender dysphoria to recede and for me to accept and make peace with the fact that I am male, and indeed a man. I felt there was no place for a gender non-conforming man like I was Had I seen a professional about it, I would have prayed now that they would have investigated the source of the rejection of my maleness Why did being perceived male hurt me the way it did? This is a worthy question that we should ask.”

And I’m going to stop there. But I just want any parent who’s listening, or any young person to know that when I ask him why he never asked to transition, he said it was because he knew you can’t change sex. And I think that’s a really important message for young people to have. That they know they’ve got anxiety, they’ve got issues, they’ve got fear, but the whole time they believe that you can’t actually fix that with surgery, they’ve got a chance to fix whatever it is that’s underlying. And sometimes it is just time.

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pombear · 26/03/2023 22:09

Speaker 12:
Hello, any why is 2023 important? Because it’s 200 years of legal female sex-segregated spaces. And this, this graph, you might not be able to see it, I’m going to photograph it later, that is female sexual offending. Not for one year, not for two years, not for three years, not for four years, but for six years. Female transgender [too noisy] the point isn’t just keeping males out of female spaces Females wouldn’t be safe in female segregated spaces expect for the exceptionally low rate of female offenders in the female population. So the test they have to satisfy is less than or equal the exceptionally low rate of female sexual offending. And I’ve shown they can’t. This is a booklet of mathematical evidence. An academic has been kind enough to see part of my autism which gives me my mathematical ability. Yes, those are percentages I crunched yesterday and I want to get it into a booklet like this and onto the desk of every MP before the next election and ask you to give it to all your candidates. But I do need some help. I need a [? Too noisy] I’m going to tell you for all our trans friends who’ve very kindly agreed to join us, I’d like to tell you about my friend in Kazakhstan .

I think none of the transgender advocates here have a transgender friend in Kazakhstan. I’ll tell you that dear Timmo and his friend {?} I’ll tell you about them going through customs with a female passport looking like men. The Moldovan passport authorities would not believe the medical letters, yes, they hadn’t come across them before, fair enough, and they took them to a room and forced them to strip naked enough to validate that in fact they had had surgery to their breasts. That’s how transphobic I am, I can date my support for transgender people, reflected in my MBE back to 1979 and the first TV programme on the subject, and finally the first trans man who came out to me felt safe, safe, in 1993. I had no idea he was going to come out to me, they, they were going to come out to me but they felt completely safe. And that really is it.

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Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 22:08

Love your work always pombear. Thank you. What a wonderful record.

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