Boycott New Zealand

Why can't there just be an intelligent discussion about the topic which might then actually educate people.

/// Jesus, the irony of this

@RosaBonheur

Well, precisely - isn't that the whole point of it? To claim the status of Righteous Person, entitled to condemn people, using outrageous calumnies.

Some of them seem to be living in a fantasy world.

Relaxing** as evidenced on this and other threads and on a recent radio broadcast, clearly many NZ women did want her including the poor lady who was smacked in the face twice by a man apparently on the right side of history

Ok here’s my less provocative version : )

If you are happy / cheering that KJK was forced to leave and no one could speak at the LWS event

Maybe think about why no one could and if that violence was proportionate or justified and worth cheering for

A generic "violence is bad" allows you to claim to have condemned the violence under discussion without acknowledging who perpetrated it.

Apparently, this is the little shite trans ally that punched that pensioner. Link to twitter thread which has the film of her being assaulted, so be warned

https://twitter.com/MadDogCoin/status/1640628139922714624?s=20

I hope he washes his hair before he appears in court. Golly, white male, so oppressed.

Wow. That's absolutely spot on. Sharing the fuck out of this.

Marsha

Fwiw yes I do think people who cheer because KJK was forced to leave should think about why that happened. It was due to the violence, so think carefully about whether to cheer at all.

Now, you, me an numerous others see reason in that, but it would seem for some, that being so invested in despising KJK, it's an irrelevance, which can be dismissed with a generic, "Violence is bad, yeah? Mkay?"

With no condemnation of individual acts. Can reasoned and reasonable argument get through to them?

From recent accounts on MN, I'd say yes, in some cases, but others simply aren't willing to see the other side, or appraise videos, or people's written word with any objectivity.

It's still worth trying.

Yup.

It's awful the way that women on FWR force people who don't like our approach to follow threads and debate with us, though. We really should consider giving people a choice whether to engage.

Probably because when women try to speak they are threatened by a violent mob?

Private William Bragg , Royal Irish Hussars to you. Is Private an adjective or a pronoun? Must get these things right in the current climate.

Yes, great article. Reminds me of a pub I happened across once. I think it was in the New Forest. I don't remember it well but it had been there for centuries. It was called something like The Good Woman. Apparently, there had been a bit of a fashion for these names. As in the article the woman was gagged, or beheaded, or wearing a scolds bridle. Imagine being a woman and having that as your local.

What would you like to say to educate people?

Instead of feeling sick over a word as pp did just post your better version.

Fwiw yes I do think people who cheer because KJK was forced to leave should think about why that happened.

It was due to the violence, so think carefully about whether to cheer at all.

Good article below which shows that this is male violence no matter how you dress it up.

Finally someone who speaks with some reason. Why can't there just be an intelligent discussion about the topic which might then actually educate people.

Thank you for sharing - that is a great article. I thought this bit was particularly perceptive:

One of the most disturbing things about mob violence against women is that, as in witch trials, once it becomes a spectacle, it becomes self-justifying. No one on your side would do this, would they, unless they had good reason? The worse it looks — the more obvious it becomes that these are just men, shouting at women, threatening them, abusing them, same as always — the more necessary it becomes to dig in your heels, to insist that the targets are real witches, this time.

And yet you seem to think you know everything about her.

This!

If you think it's a good thing that a woman who was invited by a group of Maori women to host a grass roots women's rights event ended up literally fleeing the country due to concerns for her own safety, well, that says far more about you than it does about Posie Parker.

But it's not really in keeping with the whole "right side of history" territory these self-described "progressives" are so anxious to claim.

I'm not "screaming".

Let's leave it at that!

You think that poster is open to what’s going on?

They’ve probably seen the footage. There’s a minority on here who haven’t spoken about the violence against women at all.

If the footage doesn’t do it I doubt they can be convinced by someone on mn. If you want to engage with them to do it go for it.

If you don’t like my tone do your own posts to them.

And you think we'll win that fight by accusing anyone who steps out of line as "celebrating women being punched in the face"?

Yes it’s simple and some don’t get it, but that’s on them.

You can be sick all you like.

I’m on the side of the woman and denouncing violence.

It either is an issue for you or not.

Women will NOT lose. We cannot lose.

There is literally nothing to suggest PP "celebrates woman being punched in the face"

I think there is. They’re here after much discussion and evidence of violence, and contributing nothing but glee Posie was so petrified after this violence she left. If you’re celebrating her leaving, you are condoning the fact violence led to her departure as far as I’m concerned.