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Boycott New Zealand

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Clymene · 26/03/2023 16:48

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

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TommyNever · 27/03/2023 11:11

Alondra said:
"Woke is the dirty word the right wing of politics in the USA and UK have spread, thanks to publications like the Daily Mail, but only mean policies that are socially progressive."

Actually, "woke", as used by most people who use the term (hardly any "woke" left-wingers actually use it) is an ironic description of the excesses of left-wing identity politics, particularly in regard to wholly irrational creeds like transgender ideology, which breaks the most basic rules that usually apply to identity politics (e.g.., don't seek to colonise and thereby cancel another group's identity - as in "TWAW", and don't impose identities on others - such as "cisgender"- that are meaningless to them).

You'll find these days that criticism of wokery is just as likely to come from the critical left, and from non-aligned rational humanists (like Dawkins) as it is from the right.

MarshaBradyo · 27/03/2023 11:08

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 11:05

What is causing a surge to the right is actually the extreme wokeism of the sort that that you are preaching and defending. Referring to everytrhing as 'ultra right' or to people as 'Nazis' and 'bigots' when they simply disagree - was bound to create the sort of back-lash which is now inevitable. You reap what you sow. Take some responsibility.

If the ‘woke’ group think it’s ok for men to punch 70 year old women it’s no surprise people might view them differently.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 11:05

What is causing a surge to the right is actually the extreme wokeism of the sort that that you are preaching and defending. Referring to everytrhing as 'ultra right' or to people as 'Nazis' and 'bigots' when they simply disagree - was bound to create the sort of back-lash which is now inevitable. You reap what you sow. Take some responsibility.

MistyFrequencies · 27/03/2023 11:04

Good point.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 11:02

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:54

I genuinely don't understand posts like yours. You seem to be one of the percentage of the right wing population thinking "woke" is a dirty word.

Woke means accepting we live in diverse societies and want/demand social services from the government for the taxes we pay. Being "woke" is demanding better pay for nurses, teachers and the NHS instead of governments giving money to their billionaires friends that help them win elections with a press they own anyway.

Being woke is accepting that our societies have changed and we need to adapt because, in the UK case, English imperialism disappeared long ago.

Woke is the dirty word the right wing of politics in the USA and UK have spread, thanks to publications like the Daily Mail, but only mean policies that are socially progressive. Policies that have been implemented for decades in Europe as social democracy and created the essential safety nets for people not being bankrupted for a serious medical issue as an example.

The push to rubbish those social policies is strengthening in the UK and USA to move further to the right.

I'm actually a now ex member of the Labour party and one time left wing activist. So much for imagined stereotypes.

Wokeism is a direct U.S import ( U.S cultural colonialism in action for you) based on three theories: 'Intersectionalism' and its hierarchy of oppressions and privileges; Queer theory - especially in its guise of gender identity theory; and Critical Race Theory.

'Woke' is actually a very handy short hand term which is more than applicable. Wokesters are invested in student politics; ever so predictable - and have nothing to to do with the traditional left at all.

Freedomfromguilt · 27/03/2023 10:58

@SinnerBoy
Please don't stop buying Anchor butter, it is now made in the UK using milk from British farmers.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:57

Two memorable, and excellent - albeit one is very graphic and violent, the other inspiring and heart-warming - New Zealand films I've seen, both of which deal with male violence and with the primacy of males are:

'Once Were Warriors' ( telles the tale of a maori family beset by addiction and male violence - not for the faint hearted)

'Whale Rider' ( the story of a young Maori girl who seeks to ascend to the role of chieftan when her grandfather dies - a role usually only permissable to males

MarshaBradyo · 27/03/2023 10:56

We are free thinkers and will make up our own mind... and that mind resoundedly told Posey Parker to take her transphobic ideas and go home.

The resoundingly part is 70 year olds being punched repeatedly in the face yes?

That’s what you’re proud of, the male violence against women. Sounds great.

inamarina · 27/03/2023 10:54

Bananice · 27/03/2023 07:18

This isn't the 1940s: the UK can't get all colonial on us and tell us how to think. Someone called kiwis smug upthread: how bloody smug is it to tell us how to live in our country? We are free thinkers and will make up our own mind... and that mind resoundedly told Posey Parker to take her transphobic ideas and go home.

You forget that a decent proportion of us have lived in the UK and know exactly what it's like: I spent ten years there and was back last year. I doubt that many of you could say the same about New Zealand.

Telling us you're ahead of the curve over there and one day we'll wake up to what you're saying? Okay, coloniser 🙄

We are free thinkers and will make up our own mind... and that mind resoundedly told Posey Parker to take her transphobic ideas and go home.

You say you are free thinkers and at the same time you make it sound like group think. Do you all think the same?
Your collective mind didn’t want to hear what KJK and her supporters had to say. So no critical views allowed. Hmmm…
(and by the way I’m not British, so no colonial guilt here)

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:54

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:32

My daughter was living and working in Wellington for a while. She says that there was frequently total unavailability at times, sometimes for months on end of certain products- such as trainers........Waiting for the next shipment to come in.

She also suggests that Wellington is far more woke and 'up itself' even than Melbourne.

I genuinely don't understand posts like yours. You seem to be one of the percentage of the right wing population thinking "woke" is a dirty word.

Woke means accepting we live in diverse societies and want/demand social services from the government for the taxes we pay. Being "woke" is demanding better pay for nurses, teachers and the NHS instead of governments giving money to their billionaires friends that help them win elections with a press they own anyway.

Being woke is accepting that our societies have changed and we need to adapt because, in the UK case, English imperialism disappeared long ago.

Woke is the dirty word the right wing of politics in the USA and UK have spread, thanks to publications like the Daily Mail, but only mean policies that are socially progressive. Policies that have been implemented for decades in Europe as social democracy and created the essential safety nets for people not being bankrupted for a serious medical issue as an example.

The push to rubbish those social policies is strengthening in the UK and USA to move further to the right.

Freedomfromguilt · 27/03/2023 10:51

To all those from New Zealand calling the UK colonisers, unless you are Maori the term also applies to you.
And in case you have forgetten Roviel Detenamo was denied a place at the Olympics because of a white male.

Boycott New Zealand
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NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:32

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:22

By all means, support your farmers in the UK. NZ and Australia have trade deals with most Asian regions, where we are geographically located and diverted years ago from European/UK trade.

My daughter was living and working in Wellington for a while. She says that there was frequently total unavailability at times, sometimes for months on end of certain products- such as trainers........Waiting for the next shipment to come in.

She also suggests that Wellington is far more woke and 'up itself' even than Melbourne.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2023 10:29

I had sketchy plans to visit NZ, they've obviously changed. Not so much that I'd feel unsafe there but I feel I'd be side eyeing all the locals, were you there? did you punch a woman? did you cheer them on? do you think she was asking for it? I rarely drink, much less drink wine. Wool makes me itch. Prefer beef to lamb. I'd rather support local farmer than buy stuff that's travelled halfway round the planet anyway.

It seems NZ won't miss me or my money anyway, so there should be no hard feelings from the Kiwis.

@Whaeanui once again thank you for your interesting posts. At a risk of another derail, I'm curious why there seems to be only one Maori language. Even welsh has at least three distinct dialects. I'd have thought, with the mountains and two big islands, the Maori language(s) should be more diverse. Please ignore this post if you wish.

sashh · 27/03/2023 10:26

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 10:15

I can't afford British wine, it tends to be Italian, South American, Spanish etc in our house.

'British wine' isn't British, it is cheap wine imported from anywhere and bottled here.

English wine is from the UK, this is one near me https://shop.halfpennygreen.co.uk/

Nothing wrong with a Malbec from Argentina.

MarshaBradyo · 27/03/2023 10:25

Great so no one minds what we do. Boycott away.

Going by posts many over there seem ok with violence against women.

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:25

OK so those of us who want to boycott I suggest we stop buying and NZ products from the big companies and instead spend the money at Māori businesses?

I think this is a good plan. Like my Dad said, farmers are fine, they do well in a place like that. We don’t need to worry about a boycott against farmers. I think regardless of this, supporting local produce is always better, and other products outside that if you want something truly kiwi then an indigenous company is better too. So regardless, a reevaluation of purchasing from NZ or any foreign country is a positive step to make.

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:22

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 10:13

UK farmers deserve our support, New Zealand can support their farmers.

By all means, support your farmers in the UK. NZ and Australia have trade deals with most Asian regions, where we are geographically located and diverted years ago from European/UK trade.

sashh · 27/03/2023 10:22

OK so those of us who want to boycott I suggest we stop buying and NZ products from the big companies and instead spend the money at Māori businesses?

It won't be like for like, I don't think a small dairy in rural NZ can realistically post a block of butter tot he UK but maybe jewelry or art?

Or if grass roots groups / charities can be put on the list then a donation.

Does that wound like a plan?

TommyNever · 27/03/2023 10:20

Can't think of anything from New Zealand that I currently buy, but I'm in Australia anyway which is just as misogynistic a society.

But so is UK really. Women's speaking events are routinely disprupted by TRA/MRAs over there too, as is frequently reported in MN.

The UK government is not quite so anti-women but that will likely change if Labour get back in. If the UK could actually justify a "holier than thou" attitude I'd support a boycott, but gender critical feminists are almost as reviled there as in New Zealand.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:19

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You've no idea " what she preaches"...because you violently prevented all of those women who had gathered to speak from doing so. " Let women speak" is meant to be a platform for women to talk about their experiences as women.

slowquickstep · 27/03/2023 10:18

PriOn1 · 27/03/2023 05:41

”We still very much have single sex spaces and those aren't going anywhere. There have been expansions to make some spaces more inclusive. But we can still find women only spaces, all over the place.”

Single sex women’s spaces would be spaces only used by the female sex. If men who claim they are women are entitled to use them, then no, you do not have single sex spaces. They are now mixed sex, albeit with only a few men.

What are these expansions you mention @hazeleyednerd

I suspect you have the same as I have in Norway: mixed sex spaces that are largely still used by women, with the number of men using them still being so small that it is largely invisible. Which means the majority of women won’t even notice.

Unfortunately, for those who do notice, for example the Norwegian woman who found a fully intact naked man in the communal “women’s” changing room she was using, the situation is pretty unpleasant as such women no longer have the right to remove these men.

Of course, the worst affected women are those with the least power. Women who have been affected by domestic abuse can no longer access women’s refuges that are guaranteed free of men. Raped women can no longer be guaranteed help in a women-only environment. And women in prison might find themselves interacting daily with male people, including in the showers. Those women, some of the most vulnerable, who have often been abused by men outside prison are now incarcerated with men, including rapists and murderers.

So if you accept that men who claim they are women, are actually women, and should have access to all women’s spaces, then that is what you are supporting. It might be largely invisible to you, but there will be women less fortunate than you, whose lives will be profoundly affected. My life has been unaffected so far, but I cannot support the legal changes that have been made.

The most sensible level headed post on the subject i have ever read.

SwordToFlamethrower · 27/03/2023 10:16

KJK just uploaded this video. She is back safe in the UK, talking about her experiences in NZ

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:15

My pakeha side are all farmers and Dad says they’re doing well, very well and it’s not farmers I should worry about, it’s the people living in cars and women being abused 👍🏾 that’s what he told me just now

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