Boycott New Zealand

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As is barricading scared women in a rotunda. And throwing an unknown substance at a woman is funny and paying out on her after with 'soup' mentions is the peak of such comedy.

But no. No denouncement.

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Hate to do the "Not All UK" but I'm going to - PP and fans dont speak for me!
Dont know what's going on in the UK lately but we seem to be going backwards.

Have you denounced the violence against women yet?

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A man Smacking a 70 year year old woman in the face is progressive apparently.

pretending they can't see

Do you mean the posters who can’t see punches to a 70 year old woman and mob violence and focus on anything else instead.

Yep there’s a few, only a minority tg.

You're not the thread police?
People have always commented as they come onto the thread, since when can you not comment on past posts because some posters have moved on?!
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Racism. Like commenting on a person of colour's skin colour as a fake tan?

'world', not word! sorry.

I think they're more saying that a 10 year old could easily understand where bigotry is, and so could others really on this board instead of playing daft and pretending they can't see, or saying they need a handhold in order to see it.
It's exactly like you see with racism and homophobia
Just different flavours of bigotry, but all the same

There's such a smug, patronising tone from women who come on here defending what happened.

And then there's the voice of women like Whaeanui.

I know whose voice I respect.

Yep.

Many Australian's have been known to say 'we are the arse end of the word'. I use that term all the time.

It is pragmatism that reflects our relationships with the rest of the world. And it is sometimes used as a positive as well for many reasons.

I don't see that the section quoted is necessarily about transpeople. I don't assume that someone talking about creepy men is equating them to tw. Doing that would be kind of transphobic imo.

You live in the arse end of nowhere, in a place that relies heavily on tourism

Can I just say that those gallantly defending nz to these comments and are outraged on our behalf, we say this ourselves!! It’s a fact. NZ has a big problem with such a small population and so many overseas, we don’t have enough people and therefore we have insufficient resources to have a good, free health service for example. Tourism is really really important and people in that industry are desperate for people to go back.

You reckon we have 10 year old's understanding. Explain it to us like we are 10 years old.

So ALL the readers can see what you mean.

Excellent! Keep posting that section.

Maybe you can point out where she is saying that either the person who is doing this is a trans person OR that all trans people who are male are exposing themselves to women and girls?

We know that some males, including some trans people who are males, will do this though and the current societal pressure is to shame the women and girls who complain when it happens. Such as WiSpa. Such as Lia Thomas.

We are getting closer at least.

I look forward to you pointing it out though exactly where rather than your own twisted interpretation that you vaguely mention.

I've got to hand it to you, @suggestionsplease1 : you really have memorised the TRA social media playbook

1. That assertion is wrong/bigoted, and you have no data to prove it
2. You do have data, but not from a reputable source
3. The data are from a reputable source, but are wrong for <insert pseudo-scientific or made-up statistical reason of choice> so the data don't prove what you think they do
4. Multiple people have shown me why the data do, in fact, prove that, so I'll chuck in some random insults
5. I have some data to disprove yours, but you're too stupid to understand it/I am too busy to share it with you

Have I got them all?

That’s not prejudice, as a pp said

She is talking about 'males' and pointing out that now 'some' males are allowed to access these spaces because they have identified as 'women'.

Yet, that throughout time we have called out the "creepy man" who calls themselves a woman to get access to women's spaces to expose themselves.

This is true. Historically men dressing as women in the women’s loos were called creepy and everyone thought they shouldn’t be there. What is prejudice about that? I don’t know how old you are but I’m fairly old and this is accurate. I’ve been flashed in a changing rooms as a child by a man, he was naked completely and my mother called him a creep. Today a naked man in a women’s changing room would not be escorted out immediately like that man was then

Ha, it's very clear that you have no understanding of statistics at all :-)

And there we have it yet again Readers.

The personal attack that comes when a poster understands they have nothing to support their claim. They cannot articulate it other than a vague 'she is prejudiced and a bigot'.

They seem to be reluctant to deny or support that any male who enters a female space using their gender identity to then expose themselves to women and girls is indeed a 'creep' as we in the past recognised.

"We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!"

Kellie Jay Keen has not in anyway said that 'all male trans people' are exposing their bodies in female single sex spaces. In fact, people reading this could interpret it as being that she is only talking about males who adopt a trans identity to get access to victims.

However, one poster in particular at the moment wishes to attempt to portray the words to mean something which they don't.

And has never, and I am certain will never, point out where and how Kellie Jay has been prejudiced and bigoted in this transcript. Yet will use many tactics to distract, deflect and diminish those who point out the deficiencies in that poster's argument.

Have you denounced the violence against women yet?

It's there in plain sight, I'm afraid I'm not going to handhold you through it.

Posie Parker "We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable."

Fucking hell.
These posts 😳
This thread perfect example of why people think us Brits are arrogant etc!

It is very clear that the data shows that these males have 'at least' the same degree of risk of committing sex crimes as all other males.