Kellie-Jay Queen

@TomPinch with Scotland there as that check and balance - the UK govt could override. I think even if they hadn't been able to public opinion was really turning. And in the UK for a long time, the media and politicians have mainly been repeating the orthodoxy...I see that breaking down a little now.

I think the current position is further over than Scotland.. The Gender Recognition Bill (Scotland) was opposed by the Tories. But its nearest equivalent (the Births, Deaths, Marriages and Relationships Registration Amendment Act) was passed unanimously.

There were events opposing the bill. There was an attempt - unlawfully as it turned out to cancel one. In Wellington, the council transposed the trans colours onto the building that the event was held in. None of this got much traction among the general population.

Yes. In this clip. The news reporting is incredibly biased.

It's difficult to know from afar where the 'debate' has got to in NZ. But to the poster who was disheartened, is it worth waiting? Sorry if you already know much of this but - In Scotland the mood has turned I think as more people see the issues in the open now. This was mainly due to a story about trans woman in a male prison. More SNP politicians are starting to take account of public opinion- and the TWAW orthodoxy seems to have brought down the 1st minister unthinkable a year or two ago.

I agree I'm also seeing lots of anti KJK chat in NZ but perhaps that's because the TRAs are the more vocal lobby?

Typo!! Intolerant of being Intolerant

I understand your frustrations but that's not what I'm saying at all. All In saying is how people here in NZ are likely to view this situation. Don't shoot the messenger.

I agree that Reddit won't be representative.

In my experience most people here are a bit nonplussed by all the gender changes, and find the whole thing a bit tedious. But they aren't up in arms about it. In my workplace that is because there's no benefit in putting your head above the parapet. We all have livings to make.

There is also an instinctive dislike of people coming here and telling us what to do, regardless of what they've got to say, and there is also a dislike of being bombastic. Some of that will be driving the comments.

There is a tendency among people in the UK to regard NZ as backward. I have to say that remarks like that cause annoyance, especially as NZ has historically been ahead of the game in social reforms.

Outside Wellington it's actually quite a conservative place. Wellington, though, is a clapboard Brighton. I wouldn't be surprised if Parker was told by the police that if she spoke there, there would be significant disorder with people being harmed, and the reality is that the police here don't have much experience of dealing with things like that. I wouldn't even be surprised to discover that Parker was told that the government might revoke her visa.

We will see what happens next. Debates can happen very quickly here as it's a small country. David Seymour, an MP and leader of ACT, a libertarian party, has already tweeted his dislike of what happened yesterday, so he clearly thinks he can carve a vote from this.

Of course it's just a small proportion 🙄 but I'd say the sentiment there was a fair reflection of general views - which are intolerant or being intolerant 🤷‍♀️

Maybe do some research on Brian Tamaki and Destiny's Church! Very evil and thats being nice!

Oh here we go again. If the 'wrong' person agrees with you, then you are a 'wrong' person too, even if you have nothing to do with them and don't even know who they are.

Who defines who is a 'wrong' person?
Why can't msm look beyond 'wrong' people supporting you and not just look at you?
Why does msm paint such a subjective picture and sometimes, often, dowright lies and smears?

Thank you KJK.

She finds the strength to carry on because she’s RIGHT, there’s no doubt in her mind whatsoever, and she’s courageous enough to do this for women everywhere.

As PP put it (thank you for being so succinct):

Men cannot become women
Women need single-sex spaces
Children need safeguarding

This has happened because ‘societies’ value women less than men. The ‘T’ Is such an ‘easy’ equality ‘box to tick’ (costs nothing - except women’s rights, very visible), and the TRA cause is led by men.

You really really don't want Destiny Church on your side, if you want to convince the silent majority of NZ. It's a heavily American-influenced religious organisation that encourages its adherents (who are mostly poor and indigenous) to give as much as they can to the church. NZ is a very very secular country with a very low level of religious observation, and people are suspicious of religion in general, especially if it gets its cues from the American right

Destiny's members tend to turn up whenever trouble is going on. They are very anti LGB. They are basically habitual contrarians. I don't recall that Destiny were part of the occupation of Parliament but I think people very close to them / part of them were. Tamaki was anti-lockdown and was charged for organising anti-lockdown demos during lockdown, as I recall.

People here either can't stand Destiny Church or the self-appointed bishop Brian Tamaki, or they're a member of the church. Most people think he's a sinister crank and that the causes he espouses are bad ones. If your aim is to persuade ordinary people, not the noisy ones, of the correctness of your view, having Destiny near you is the reverse Midas touch, and I'm afraid that reverse Midas touch will have touched Posy Parker.

Reddit is a heavily moderated place where critical opinion or popular opinion is not captured. You seem to not have kept up with the utterly authoritarian way reddit turfed out the GC subredits and employed the dodgiest of TRA moderators to do so. You may next quote Twitter as an indicator of popular opinion, LOL. What percentage of the population is on Reddit or twitter?

I don't get this at all. Why are you complimenting women by comparing them to men 😐

I'd disagree, go and take a look at NZ Reddit and see what the people "chatting" are saying. Most of them seem pleased she's leaving the country

Having read a little bit about him and his church, I agree. I'm very cautious about such church groups after my own bad experiences, however it makes no difference to how I feel about the main issues here - women's safety and women's rights.

Don't be disheartened. What you are seeing is a highly manufactured consensus by the media, leftist politicians, NGOs. Actual opinions of the average NZer is not being taken into account and it is not far from the vast majority of the world, north, south east or west. Men cannot become women, children need safeguarding, women need single-sex spaces. The media is out of step with the public and the stupid politicians going with the latest trend will pay the price.

No, seriously, Brian Tamaki is not a force for good in this world.

The idiot politicians down under, especially the traitorous Greens, are not top politicians by any measure. One KJK is worth 100s of them.

Just for your info tithing is a biblical principle and not indicative of anything. I've been to Church of England congregations where giving 10% is encouraged.

No idea about that particular church, but sometimes the wrong people are on the right side.

Honestly lOFc the more you post the more I want to fangirl over KJK and I never fangirl over anyone.

Those were members of the Destiny Church under the leadership of their self declared ‘Bishop’ Brian Tamaki.

For those who aren’t familiar with the Eftpostle, he is not the Messiah but just a very naughty boy. Not content with installing ATMs within his church buildings to facilitate donations or becoming a multi-millionaire televangelist who requires church members to tithe 10% of their income to the Destiny Church, Bishop Brian is best known in NZ for leading 10,000 screaming black shirted men in a march against Parliament in 2004 to protest against official recognition of same-sex civil unions.

The man and his disciples are not emblems of good in this world. They are something else entirely.

I can call them ballsy as can other posters

You may choose not to

Enough policing of language going on as it is!

I haven’t heard any mention of this - really?

Did anyone see the men standing for their daughters’ rights, protesting against the protesters? They stopped and did the Haka and it was so powerful.

I’m in NZ and I’m feeling incredibly disheartened by it.

The whole tide of feeling seems to be overwhelmingly against her, and against our position.

I feel so angry and confused as to how people see her as so evil.

I don’t want male-bodied people in women’s single sex spaces. And not because I’ve been assaulted and have had to deal with male violence. I haven’t. But male-bodied people in women’s single sex spaces just makes me feel uncomfortable. Why does that make me such an awful person.

I don’t understand why people couldn’t just let her - and other women - speak.

And then argue back rationally with any ideas they disagree with. Have a dialogue.

Why couldn’t that happen?

Why are they so afraid of letting her / us speak?